Should european women dress modestly to accommodate other cultures?

Muslims are followers of Islam. You said 'the problem is Islam' and 'its followers (meaning Muslims) are largely unwilling to adapt' which means yes you did generalise.

'Islam just happens to be the most dangerous' - Nope, Islam just happens to be in the media a lot.

Yeah, that QE2 guy was quick to jump to my throat without considering my argument. Then again, his anti islam agenda has made him like that, the moment i say that ppl can do more themselves.

I already said how superficial you were haha! All talk but no real substance in what you say.

Muslims are followers of Islam, so if Islam was a vile religion then Muslims would be vile people. But as you said 'Muslims are lovely beautiful people' so they must be following a beautiful religion.

Muslims are followers of Islam, so if Islam was a vile religion then Muslims would be vile people. But as you said 'Muslims are lovely beautiful people' so they must be following a beautiful religion.

Why are you lying?

Generalizing would have been "Muslims are dangerous". It would mean I implied all of them are dangerous. I did no such thing. In fact I gave all Muslims a huge benefit of the doubt, that most probably don't deserve. Because even the "moderate" ones, tend to have world views that are incompatible with ours.

And again, why are you lying to yourself? The causality is not Islam is in the media hence they are most dangerous because of perception, it's it is so dangerous hence it is in the media a lot. Watch Hitchens, he is equally critical of all religion, but he too, believes Islam to be the most dangerous.

If you cannot see that, then you are either Muslim or completely misguided in your tolerance.

Karl Popper: "Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them."

Do not believe for one second that we need to accept Islam, the way it is now, into our society or else we are bad, intolerant people. No.

If you agree that there are good Muslims in this world, then you must surely agree that some parts of Islam are peaceful.

We already know where this thread is going.

Do you think that the way a woman dresses makes her, in any way at all, responsible if she suffers any kind of sexual assault? Yes or no.

The fact that you (and others) will either obfuscate or completely avoid answering is part of the reason why these threads keep popping up.

‘There is nothing wrong with the way Islam is now, the problem is not Islam, the problem are Muslims who decide to interpret Islam the way they want to interpret it.

If you agree that there are good Muslims in this world, then you must surely agree that some parts of Islam are peaceful.

‘I gave all Muslims a hugebenefit of the doubt’ – oh wow thank you so much, that’s so kind of you to give 1.6 billion Muslims the benefit of the doubt.

‘He is equally critical of all religion, but he too,believes Islam to be the most dangerous’ – I do not care what Hitchens' says or what any other critique says. That is their job.

‘Do not believe for one second that we need to accept Islam,the way it is now’ – There is nothing wrong with the way Islam is now, the problem is not Islam, the problem are Muslims who decide to interpret Islam the way they want to interpret it.
If you agree that there are good Muslims in this world, then you must surely agree that some parts of Islam are peaceful.

I notice that you seem to have forgotten about this.

Yes, but they are cherry-picking the peaceful parts because they are peaceful people.
Violent people will cherry-pick the violent parts.
If there were no violent parts, the violent people would have do divine permission to justify their actions, so they would either not commit violent acts, or just be "violent people", and treated as such.

Some parts of national socialism were peaceful. What a nice argument.

Some parts of Maoism were peaceful. And still tens of millions died due to starvation or being deemed against the system.

And yes, a follower of a book that talks about raping young women, and portraying women as second class citizens and non-believers as inhuman, yea, not saying they are all nutters, means giving them a huge benefit of the doubt.

I am sorry but I cannot continue arguing with someone who makes such statements. Every time I reply to you, I have to waste my time just correcting your logic flaws.

This is what is wrong with religious people. They can't win arguments. And yet they try and more annoyingly they think they do. Logic and reason means they cannot win. Every single argument you could put forward is based on faith and faith alone.

Sorry I can't help but laugh, I don't understand why you're getting mad. We're just discussing.
And LOL, we are discussing faith, so of course my arguments are going to be about faith.
There is no such thing as winning in arguments, we're not in a competition, you gave your opinions and I gave mine. That's the problem with you, you're trying to win, I'm just trying to tell you my thoughts.

Italy :



Germany :

http://www.thelocal.de/20150626/refugee-school-calls-for-uniform-modesty

''A school in Bavaria has sent a letter home to parents warning them not to let their daughters wear revealing blouses or short skirts, because emergency accommodation for refugees has been set up next to the gym''


Cliffs: men from other cultures can't help themselves if they see a woman showing skin or even curves under tight clothing so if a woman gets harassed/raped/worse it's pretty much her fault since men can't help themselves.

But what you are saying is plain wrong. I have pointed that out numerous times, and you are not just giving your opinion.

You are trying to make a case why I am wrong. Don't even deny that.

No, you are trying to show that I am wrong, as you have pointed out yourself.

I just want to understand where you're coming from. I don't understand how people can be so judgmental sometimes. I believe I am open minded, as long as you don't annoy me, you can believe what ever you want to believe.

And I really want to close this discussion because I want to go to study. So let's agree to disagree?

As a Muslim I don't think a woman is responsible if she suffers any kind of sexual assault from the way she is dressed. If that was the case, rapes wouldn't exist in Muslim countries but they do, because of uneducated filthy men.

So why don't you see Islam through the peaceful Muslims, why can't you argue that the peaceful Muslims are the real followers of Islam and the violent people are crazy people who are using Islam to justify their actions, not because there are violent parts in Islam, but just because they are crazy.

For example, some people do join the army because they enjoy killing and murdering people and probably have some mental health problems. Now that army is there to protect to it's land, should we abolish the army because of those crazy individuals? No, we should get rid of those crazy individuals. (Does that make sense)

Anyone who voted yes should be lined up against a wall and shot. I'm completely serious.