''Women should not travel more than 48 miles without a male escort''

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Sigh.... Has anyone even thought about WHY this is a thing?

Because it's backward thinking from some desert region 1600 years ago where women were property and some sad little men want to keep this control and sadly some women so closeted by this control accept it to be fact?

Is that why?

Or do you want to try and explain to us how this is a 'thing' :biggrin:

Reply 61

donutellme

Original post by BaconandSauce

That sounds so clever right? It may well be an answer. But let's think about this practically.

On a journey that long, in deserts etc, most travel would be on horses/camels. And setting up tent and shelter, and hunting food for the night? And what about if there are robbers etc?

And wanting to make sure your wife, daughter or sister are safe from harm suddenly makes you their owner? How does that work...

It's not even hard to come up with these explanations, why do people ignore them?

Reply 62

BaconandSauce

Original post by donutellme

As I said something from a desert region 1600 years ago that has zero reverence to the UK apart for a few small minded men who want to ensure they regain control of their property.

Thanks for confirming.

Reply 63

dozyrosie

Original post by donutellme

That is a perfectly good answer for 7th century desert dwellers, but Islam claims it is for all people for all times, it sounds like god does not know about modern forms of travel.

Reply 64

donutellme

Original post by BaconandSauce

Original post by dozyrosie

That is a perfectly good answer for 7th century desert dwellers, but Islam claims it is for all people for all times, it sounds like god does not know about modern forms of travel.

Who said this is applies to modern times. I'm just saying that there's a reason this was a thing in the first place, which everyone seems to be ignoring...

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Reply 65

dozyrosie

Original post by donutellme

Who said this is applies to modern times. I'm just saying that there's a reason this was a thing in the first place, which everyone seems to be ignoring...

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It must be God who has commanded this for all times, else Muhammad is making things up.

I don't think you even realise how wrong your interpretation is. If Muhammad has made this up then it makes the claim of revelation false, so this must come from God, and he has given Muhammad his revelation for all people for all times. You are just confirming that the revelation is just for 7th century arabs.

Reply 66

BaconandSauce

Original post by donutellme

Who said this is applies to modern times. I'm just saying that there's a reason this was a thing in the first place, which everyone seems to be ignoring...

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Did you not even read the OP before rushing to explain this?

#ReligionOfPeace.

Original post by BaconandSauce

At least we are letting them know there are other opinions to be had.

Just think if this hadn't been publicised you may have women in this community accepting this bollox as the truth

At least now they know it isn't true at all.

I agree, but I am just saying that THIS is not the forum to try to convince others of your opinion. You see, debates are NEVER aimed to convince the other debater, but rather the audience. The opposite debater will never change his mind, unless he's willing to and you can tell whether someone is willing to or not, what you're aiming to do is change or affirm the thoughts of your audience. Most of the arguments on this forum have no audience, thus most of the arguments here are just, sadly, a waste of time and finger energy.

Reply 69

Spectroscopy

A father or brother is a Mahram for those who were unsure

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Reply 70

QE2

Original post by jon2016

This is about the right wing media in thr UK whipping up hatred

Is it? How?

Not other countries. Yes suffering in other countries is the internal affairs of other countries

So you think that ISIS, Assad and the rest should be left to get on with it, and all Syrian refugees should be prevented from leaving the country.

The killing of Rohingya Muslims in Myanmar is nobody's concern but the government and inhabitants of that country.

Ethiopian children dying because of drought should be ignored by non-Ethiopians as someone else's problem.

Nice.

You just want a excuse to bash muslims on the basis of what blackburn muslim community group advised married women against traveling long distances alone

I do not need an excuse to "bash" Islam.
I never "bash" Muslims as a group, although I will have a go at individuals when they attempt to support slavery, killing apostates, stoning adulterers, etc.
Wouldn't you do the same?

Reply 71

jon2016

Original post by QE2

Is it? How?

because media creates scare stories like fake polls and this story, to invoke culture war against muslims

Original post by QE2

So you think that ISIS, Assad and the rest should be left to get on with it, and all Syrian refugees should be prevented from leaving the country.

ISIS have targeted France and have attempted to target the UK, so its no longer a Internal Affair. If ISIS were not targeting us, then yes its a internal affair of Syria, just like the other 10 civil wars going on around the world.

Who said anything about preventing Syrian Refugees from leaving ? its up to the countries that border syria if they want to accept refugees.

Original post by QE2

The killing of Rohingya Muslims in Myanmar is nobody's concern but the government and inhabitants of that country.

Absolutely, UK should remain neutral and not send any ground troops to Myanmar.

Original post by QE2

Ethiopian children dying because of drought should be ignored by non-Ethiopians as someone else's problem.

Nice.

People are free to give money to charities to help dying children but UK govt should not send troops to ethiopia to save dying children yes I believe that.

IMF and other institutions exist to help economies in trouble(if they agree to meaningful economic reform), its not the job of the UK to engage in national building. A) it doesnt work, you wont reduce the number of children dying(see Iraq,haiti,libya) and b) often images of ethiopian children dying are used as smokes screen for regime change.

Original post by QE2

You and all the other fascists in mainstream media dont care about slavery, you want to demonise and bash islam and fabricate scandals to do so.

You want to create a culture of where muslims are seen as second class citizens.

by all means bash slavery and killing of apostates but dont fabricate scandals.

Reply 72

QE2

Original post by jon2016

That was just a lot of words put together without any consideration as to meaning.

Reply 73

BaconandSauce

Original post by jon2016

because media creates scare stories like fake polls and this story

The story is true.

Reply 74

username2371841

Original post by qe2

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Reply 75

username2371841

a) article from 2006, youre 10 years behind mate
b) im a muslim unmarried girl, last time i checked, ive travelled 3 days and camped out with a bunch of other girls- so therefore just cos it is said, doesn't mean everyone follows. e.g. evangelical protestants are against homosexuals, but some evangelicals are for etc. you get ma drift

Reply 76

Clintbarton

As a Muslim woman I can 100% certify that this is ******** in its truest form.

It is a part of old Muslim law - as in thousands of years ago.

Society has moved on, as we all have. The only reason the newspaper commented on it is a) their demographic was failing so intensely they required content to spark a debate and being their newspaper some attention and b) because the media wants to incite a fear or rejection, in this case the latter, of Muslim and 'foreign' policies, cultures and religions.

The whole idea of a progressive society is that the people move forward collectively. Would you ever see a quotation from the Old Testament bible that encouraged stoning homosexuals to death? No, because it's old society. It isn't (widely) followed today. People no longer believe in the old beliefs or live in a society that is non-secular and require religious beliefs of the people.

It's a ploy for segregation between races and religions. They want to incite fear and for people to ridicule something that they don't understand so people will read articles by some inherently innate 'journalist' whose only article with an actual audience is news from thousands of years ago.

Don't believe everything you read. I certainly don't stand around waiting for a man to escort me to wherever I want to go. Educate yourselves before passing judgements on something you don't fully understand. :smile:

Reply 77

BaconandSauce

Original post by Clintbarton

Society has moved on, as we all have.
.

Don't believe everything you read.

apparently not all of you have.

But the irony :biggrin:

Reply 78

Butternuts96

[QUOTE=The_Internet;64595679]Muslim Council of Britain :smile:

What is pretty bad is that Telegraph readers, aren't reading past the headline and even when there are Muslim women saying "Actually you're wrong" they're insistent that life is exactly how they want it to be portrayed as, because that way they can continue to think of Muslims as being "evil" ..

It's that muslim women are saying "You're wrong", necessarily. That's not the issue. The scholar stated a fact from an authentic hadith making it a RULE in Islam (One of many).

He's a scholar and so muslims ask questions on how to live their life islamically. It wasn't an order from him that all muslim women should do that (Although that is the rule; a solid fact).

What actually happens in daily life is that most muslims (men and women) are not practising and so just don't follow the rules. This is different to "disagreeing" with the rule