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Why don't people vote Bernie if they don't want either Clinton or Trump?

Exams in 9 days and I've found a new area to procrastinate in!!!

But scrolling through articles, nobody seems to want either Hilary Clinton Or Donald Trump and around 60% of people are voting for a candidate because they don't want the other to win. Wouldn't it be sensible to have Sanders as the nominee as he seems to be a more favourable option but can't be since he isn't part of the establishment and can't access those super delegates?

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People do want Trump and Clinton to win, hence they're the nominees receiving the most votes.
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Lol, Bernie the bleeding socialist?
They're all equally awful.
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Original post by Inazuma
Lol, Bernie the bleeding socialist?
They're all equally awful.


Kinda new to poltics, but why do you see socialism as bad?
Original post by Himtiaz
Kinda new to poltics, but why do you see socialism as bad?


Socialism is cancer
Original post by Himtiaz
Exams in 9 days and I've found a new area to procrastinate in!!!

But scrolling through articles, nobody seems to want either Hilary Clinton Or Donald Trump and around 60% of people are voting for a candidate because they don't want the other to win. Wouldn't it be sensible to have Sanders as the nominee as he seems to be a more favourable option but can't be since he isn't part of the establishment and can't access those super delegates?


Because even more people don't want Sanders to win.
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The way I see it is Socialism Vs Xenophobia Vs Corruption
I'm just buying my one way ticket to Neptune...Earth is royally ****ed
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The way I see it is Socialism Vs Xenophobia Vs Corruption


I guess socialist states don't have any problems with corruption....oh wait. :facepalm:
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socialism is a fantasy dreamland
if i were american, i would vote for trump simply because he is nationalist
Maybe it's because Sanders doesn't have as many corporations sponsoring his campaign.
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Socialism is cancer

So you hate the NHS then?
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The way I see it is Socialism Vs Xenophobia Vs Corruption


What Sanders is offering is essentially social democracy, not socialism (in its usual sense of state/worker control of the means of production). :tongue: It's unwise of him to use that label, since it's neither accurate nor helpful, as some of the comments on this thread have already shown.
Because they think he will lose and he is too far left for the majority in America.
Original post by Hydeman
What Sanders is offering is essentially social democracy, not socialism (in its usual sense of state/worker control of the means of production). :tongue: It's unwise of him to use that label, since it's neither accurate nor helpful, as some of the comments on this thread have already shown.


Sounds like the white-man's shariah law.
bc people are stupid
they always miss out the middleman.
Original post by Himtiaz
Kinda new to poltics, but why do you see socialism as bad?


As Moon man said, it's cancer :wink:

But more seriously, it's an unrealistic fantasy that has never and will never work in reality.

Here's my favourite image of all time to demonstrate (shame they haven't thrown Corporatism [commonly mistaken for Capitalism] in the cage too)
Original post by Hydeman
What Sanders is offering is essentially social democracy, not socialism (in its usual sense of state/worker control of the means of production). :tongue: It's unwise of him to use that label, since it's neither accurate nor helpful, as some of the comments on this thread have already shown.


He does say he is a "democratic socialist". I wonder what the reaction would've been if he said "social democracy" instead :holmes:...

... As opposed to "soshill democracy" offered by the other candidate :tongue:
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Original post by Inazuma
As Moon man said, it's cancer :wink:

But more seriously, it's an unrealistic fantasy that has never and will never work in reality.

Here's my favourite image of all time to demonstrate (shame they haven't thrown Corporatism [commonly mistaken for Capitalism] in the cage too)


How about a regulated capitalist economy coupled with a welfare and health care system that meets the basic needs of those who do not thrive in the capitalist economy. That is Sanders position.


The fact that such a despotic poor country like Cuba with all its problems still manages to have excellent healthcare outcomes not only in it's own country but around the world buts such a resource rich democratic country like America to shame. Americans should be embarrassed.

Original post by Hydeman
What Sanders is offering is essentially social democracy, not socialism (in its usual sense of state/worker control of the means of production). :tongue: It's unwise of him to use that label, since it's neither accurate nor helpful, as some of the comments on this thread have already shown.
I think he was trying to provide some positive propaganda for the word. If it is no longer so deeply despised as a word it makes it harder for it to be thrown at you by your opponents. Lets be honest, Sanders would have been called socialist no matter what he did due to what he wanted (Obama gets called socialist). If the term socialist lost it's malign for enough people it would render his opponents, who are either thick or cynically use socialist to discredit any form of redistribution of money/power, powerless.

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Whether that was the correct tactic I dunno. Personally I think lefties need to abandon terminology like that when trying to win people over.


PS: Definition of socialism is worker control of the means of production. Not the state controlling it. State may come into worker control but it doesn't have to.
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