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Original post by Zacken
You did a putnam question? :rofl: - Sure, no problemo (if I can even wrap my head around it... :tongue: )


haha well it seemed a little challenging but wasnt too bad, isnt it the Americans version of STEP/ Olympiad sort of stuff?
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Original post by EnglishMuon
haha well it seemed a little challenging but wasnt too bad, isnt it the Americans version of STEP/ Olympiad sort of stuff?


It's aimed at American undergraduates. :tongue: :lol:
Original post by Zacken
It's aimed at American undergraduates. :tongue: :lol:


oh haha well I thought it was strange they required you to know about Cayley-Hamilton theorem (atleast I needed it for my solution, perhaps missed an easier way) :tongue:
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Original post by EnglishMuon
oh haha well I thought it was strange they required you to know about Cayley-Hamilton theorem (atleast I needed it for my solution, perhaps missed an easier way) :tongue:


EnglishMuon at King's: Zain, mate - the worst thing happened. I was writing my shopping list and accidentally solved the Riemann Hypothesis. :frown: fml why does this happen to me

:tongue:
Original post by Zacken
EnglishMuon at King's: Zain, mate - the worst thing happened. I was writing my shopping list and accidentally solved the Riemann Hypothesis. :frown: fml why does this happen to me

:tongue:


PRSOM :rofl: Im literally crying XD
Original post by englishmuon
talking about doing maths, please would you look over my solution to a putnam question later?


wtf dude
Original post by Zacken
It's aimed at American undergraduates. :tongue: :lol:


Tbh that may as well include you guys, looking at the kind of things you do.
Original post by Student403
wtf dude


I dont think it was one of the hard ones. It helped that I was talking to Zain about some of the theorems I used only a couple days ago :smile:
Original post by EnglishMuon
I dont think it was one of the hard ones. It helped that I was talking to Zain about some of the theorems I used only a couple days ago :smile:


The name's still Putnam :tongue:
How did you revise the month before?
Original post by EnglishMuon
Talking about doing maths, please would you look over my solution to a Putnam question later?


I will have a look. I like putnam ****


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Original post by physicsmaths
I will have a look. I like putnam ****


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Thanks :smile: ill write it up in a min
Original post by EnglishMuon
Thanks :smile: ill write it up in a min


Wat problem is it.


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Original post by physicsmaths
Wat problem is it.


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problem B3 on 2015 paper
Well here is some of my working so far so hopefully it isnt completely wrong!
B3

Let M=(aa+da+2da+3d) \mathbf{M} = \begin{pmatrix} a & {a+d} \\ {a+2d} & {a+3d} \end{pmatrix}
By Cayley-Hamilton theorem, M satisfies its own characteristic polynomial (if thats the correct term for it):
MλI=λ2(2a+3d)λ2d2 | \mathbf{M} - \lambda \mathbf{I} | = \lambda ^{2} - (2a+3d) \lambda -2d^{2} on simplification. Hence M2(2a+3d)M2d2I=0 \mathbf{M} ^{2} - (2a+3d) \mathbf{M} -2d^{2} \mathbf{I} = \mathbf{0}

Now this is the part that maybe could be written better but idk.

Let d=0 d=0 so M=(aaaa),M2=2aM \mathbf{M} = \begin{pmatrix} a & {a} \\ {a} & {a} \end{pmatrix} , \mathbf{M}^{2} = 2a \mathbf{M} . Then clearly every power of M also has elements of an arithmetic progression 0, hence M=(aaaa)S \mathbf{M} = \begin{pmatrix} a & {a} \\ {a} & {a} \end{pmatrix} \in S

Now let d=2a3 d= - \frac{2a}{3} : M=(aa3a3a),M2=2d2I \mathbf{M} = \begin{pmatrix} a & { \frac{a}{3}} \\ {- \frac{a}{3}} & {-a} \end{pmatrix}, \mathbf{M}^{2} = 2d^{2} \mathbf{I} . Consider M^3: M3=(2ad22ad2+2d32ad2+4d32ad2+6d3) \mathbf{M}^{3}= \begin{pmatrix} {2ad^{2}} & {2ad^{2} + 2d^{3}} \\ {2ad^{2} + 4d^{3}} & {2ad^{2} + 6d^{3}} \end{pmatrix} which also has 'arithmetic elements' so (aa3a3a)S \begin{pmatrix} a & { \frac{a}{3}} \\ {- \frac{a}{3}} & {-a} \end{pmatrix} \in S .

I think these two types of matrix satisfy all of the elements of our set S, so Im now trying to prove that all our elements take the form. I havent got a solution yet but Ive got a couple of ideas Im looking in to, but not sure if I know enough about vector spaces to do it properly or not. I was thinking something along the lines of writing our general solution as Mk=((aa+da+2da+3d))k=(a(1111)+d(0123))kS \mathbf{M}^{k} = ( \begin{pmatrix} a & {a+d} \\ {a+2d} & {a+3d} \end{pmatrix})^{k}= ( a \begin{pmatrix} 1 & {1} \\ {1} & {1} \end{pmatrix} + d \begin{pmatrix} 0 & {1} \\ {2} & {3} \end{pmatrix})^{k} \in S but not convinced of the follow up (if there even is one).
Original post by EnglishMuon
I dont think it was one of the hard ones. It helped that I was talking to Zain about some of the theorems I used only a couple days ago :smile:


Yeah there are some not-that-difficult Putnam problems but most are acknowledged to be very difficult. I've done a few of the easier ones since my Calculus text is American :tongue:. (I've therefore done quite a few AIME problems and the like, which are really fun :smile:.)
Original post by IrrationalRoot
Yeah there are some not-that-difficult Putnam problems but most are acknowledged to be very difficult. I've done a few of the easier ones since my Calculus text is American :tongue:. (I've therefore done quite a few AIME problems and the like, which are really fun :smile:.)


ah nice. But yeah that problem still seems hard to get a full refined solution. Ive got the general thing down on paper now but its far from floor proof with 0 assumptions :tongue:. Which calculus text do you use btw?
Original post by EnglishMuon
ah nice. But yeah that problem still seems hard to get a full refined solution. Ive got the general thing down on paper now but its far from floor proof with 0 assumptions :tongue:. Which calculus text do you use btw?


AoPS, really nice rigorous treatment of Calculus, but only halfway through since I have done any for a while due to STEP etc.

Having a look at a page called 'Easy Putnam problems' now since I don't have too much confidence in my ability lol:
http://www.math.northwestern.edu/~mlerma/problem_solving/putnam/easy_putnam_problems.pdf
The last one looks interesting, might try it now :smile:.
Original post by EnglishMuon
Well here is some of my working so far so hopefully it isnt completely wrong!
B3

Let M=(aa+da+2da+3d) \mathbf{M} = \begin{pmatrix} a & {a+d} \\ {a+2d} & {a+3d} \end{pmatrix}
By Cayley-Hamilton theorem, M satisfies its own characteristic polynomial (if thats the correct term for it):
MλI=λ2(2a+3d)λ2d2 | \mathbf{M} - \lambda \mathbf{I} | = \lambda ^{2} - (2a+3d) \lambda -2d^{2} on simplification. Hence M2(2a+3d)M2d2I=0 \mathbf{M} ^{2} - (2a+3d) \mathbf{M} -2d^{2} \mathbf{I} = \mathbf{0}

Now this is the part that maybe could be written better but idk.

Let d=0 d=0 so M=(aaaa),M2=2aM \mathbf{M} = \begin{pmatrix} a & {a} \\ {a} & {a} \end{pmatrix} , \mathbf{M}^{2} = 2a \mathbf{M} . Then clearly every power of M also has elements of an arithmetic progression 0, hence M=(aaaa)S \mathbf{M} = \begin{pmatrix} a & {a} \\ {a} & {a} \end{pmatrix} \in S

Now let d=2a3 d= - \frac{2a}{3} : M=(aa3a3a),M2=2d2I \mathbf{M} = \begin{pmatrix} a & { \frac{a}{3}} \\ {- \frac{a}{3}} & {-a} \end{pmatrix}, \mathbf{M}^{2} = 2d^{2} \mathbf{I} . Consider M^3: M3=(2ad22ad2+2d32ad2+4d32ad2+6d3) \mathbf{M}^{3}= \begin{pmatrix} {2ad^{2}} & {2ad^{2} + 2d^{3}} \\ {2ad^{2} + 4d^{3}} & {2ad^{2} + 6d^{3}} \end{pmatrix} which also has 'arithmetic elements' so (aa3a3a)S \begin{pmatrix} a & { \frac{a}{3}} \\ {- \frac{a}{3}} & {-a} \end{pmatrix} \in S .

I think these two types of matrix satisfy all of the elements of our set S, so Im now trying to prove that all our elements take the form. I havent got a solution yet but Ive got a couple of ideas Im looking in to, but not sure if I know enough about vector spaces to do it properly or not. I was thinking something along the lines of writing our general solution as Mk=((aa+da+2da+3d))k=(a(1111)+d(0123))kS \mathbf{M}^{k} = ( \begin{pmatrix} a & {a+d} \\ {a+2d} & {a+3d} \end{pmatrix})^{k}= ( a \begin{pmatrix} 1 & {1} \\ {1} & {1} \end{pmatrix} + d \begin{pmatrix} 0 & {1} \\ {2} & {3} \end{pmatrix})^{k} \in S but not convinced of the follow up (if there even is one).


Looking good.

Ideas

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Original post by EnglishMuon
problem B3 on 2015 paper


Matrices, na boring lol.


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