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Why don't we have sikhophobia, hinduphobia or buddhismophobia?
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Original post by constantina98
I think it's because of isis.
It's arguably about barbarism and terrorism more generally. The IS didn't become well-known in the West until about 2014, though it had existed much earlier than that.
Original post by constantina98
Yeah like ppl who believe in other religions are the best ppl in the world
They aren't, but that in no way justifies/mitigates a lack of virtue on the part of some Muslims. That's like a burglar going to court and complaining that his actions are less condemnable because other people also burglarise; they aren't.
Original post by lNurl
Because it's a global game.....
Big countries look at them see the religion and population grow, they stick to whatever they believe (which means it's easier to anger them) in comparison to western countries.
it's like bullying, but not your usual school bullying, it's on bigger scale, something like,
West: we are not allowed many things in our religion, but we don't care, we do whatever we want, do the same
Islam: No thanks, we are good, we like to practise whatever we want
W: Eat this pig with alcohol
I: No
W: Do it, or you will regret
I: NO!
W: Lets start a war over there, and make it look like its their fault...
W: Lets video something half fake half true, and show it to whole world
W: Islam, you should have eaten that pig!
Think about it, why don't America care about North Korea? Because they don't have oil, or anything that America/West can exploit.
Big countries look at them see the religion and population grow, they stick to whatever they believe (which means it's easier to anger them) in comparison to western countries.
it's like bullying, but not your usual school bullying, it's on bigger scale, something like,
West: we are not allowed many things in our religion, but we don't care, we do whatever we want, do the same
Islam: No thanks, we are good, we like to practise whatever we want
W: Eat this pig with alcohol
I: No
W: Do it, or you will regret
I: NO!
W: Lets start a war over there, and make it look like its their fault...
W: Lets video something half fake half true, and show it to whole world
W: Islam, you should have eaten that pig!
Think about it, why don't America care about North Korea? Because they don't have oil, or anything that America/West can exploit.
You usually say very sensible things, so I'm somewhat disappointed with this post. Conspiracy theories based around simple 'common sense' are hardly ever right.
I have a theory. It may not be right, but I'm just putting it out there.
What do the West (the government, not the general population) love? - Oil (Look at what happened to Iraq)
Where are the majority of muslim countries? - The Middle East
What is the middle east rich in? - Oil
How can the West get more oil? - 'Doing an Iraq'
How can they justify an invasion? - Propoganda of Islamophobia
Ta-da.
If they are any flaws, please let me know. Educate or be educated is my motto.
What do the West (the government, not the general population) love? - Oil (Look at what happened to Iraq)
Where are the majority of muslim countries? - The Middle East
What is the middle east rich in? - Oil
How can the West get more oil? - 'Doing an Iraq'
How can they justify an invasion? - Propoganda of Islamophobia
Ta-da.
If they are any flaws, please let me know. Educate or be educated is my motto.
(edited 7 years ago)
Original post by Supersaps
The difference between North Korea and the Middle East is that we have precious little influence over them, They don't trade with us. They have nuclear weapons. They are somewhat under Chinese protection. It's also a bad situation but we have so little power in the region outside of South Korea. It's a very very messy.
Alcohol is part of British socialising...but also non-alcohol is part of British socialising too! How much tea do we drink? And did you know that 20% of UK adults are teetotal? http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/feb/13/teetotallers-on-rise-in-uk-one-in-five-dont-drink
For myself, I didn't drink at all from the years of 18-21 and I had no problems socialising! Learn to dance without drinking. Being around drunk people whilst being sober can be great fun as you watch their antics. Sometimes they need looking after too! Occasionally, you might need to leave early but there's really nothing stopping you being with them. Even if you disagree with drunkeness, you don't have to judge them, you can just be around them and be their friends. They might even follow your example and drink less themselves.
Alcohol is part of British socialising...but also non-alcohol is part of British socialising too! How much tea do we drink? And did you know that 20% of UK adults are teetotal? http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/feb/13/teetotallers-on-rise-in-uk-one-in-five-dont-drink
For myself, I didn't drink at all from the years of 18-21 and I had no problems socialising! Learn to dance without drinking. Being around drunk people whilst being sober can be great fun as you watch their antics. Sometimes they need looking after too! Occasionally, you might need to leave early but there's really nothing stopping you being with them. Even if you disagree with drunkeness, you don't have to judge them, you can just be around them and be their friends. They might even follow your example and drink less themselves.
I see your points, I agree with all of them. It's all correct and true.
But lets face it, tea vs alcohol for socialising, making friends... Also, majority of Muslims don't even go to places where alcohol served, even if they don't drink.
Tea is amazing drink
but alcohol is a game changer and I think motives of not drinking alcohol is important as well:
-Religion
-Medical condition
-Driving
-New years resolution
-Promise to partner etc
When you bring in religion, things get complicated: in my language there is a phrase, I will translate it, (sorry for bad translation from beginning): it says "Whoever is going to hell, will try to find friends to go with him",,,,
In this thread:
1. Finance/Money
2. We had prohibitions in our religion, but we stopped it, we changed our scripts, do it.
3. Not enough education in Muslim societies.
My country majority muslim, not practising, we drink, wear whatever we want, more or less European.
We could be great country, maybe popular one too.... but media always shows bad things, I know how it's wrong, I know how BBC hate us, I know reality but media always messes peoples mind up.
becauase of this global game of power.
Original post by lNurl
sooo... the "We do have a problem when they kill their own people..." is not valid reason, everything down to finance, money, mutual interest....
Killing people, freedom, human rights, media freedom.... it's all game, it's all fake things.... no government cares about it, they only use it to win financial battles....
Visa weaver for Turkey, yeees, because they will shut gates and keep Syrians in their territories, now west don't care about journalists, human rights, education, religion....
Killing people, freedom, human rights, media freedom.... it's all game, it's all fake things.... no government cares about it, they only use it to win financial battles....
Visa weaver for Turkey, yeees, because they will shut gates and keep Syrians in their territories, now west don't care about journalists, human rights, education, religion....
The West and its governments principally care about what they think will benefit their people (since they are elected) - raw materials, exportations, peace, etc. Sometimes, when they have the opportunity to do so, they can force a country to make democratic and human rights progresses.
Geopolitics is not an easy game.
Original post by Zargabaath
In the Eastern vedic based religions, there isn't that same sense of entitlement. The ideologies are allowed to be criticised.
They don't hold themselves to the same importance and righteousness as the Abrahamic faiths
They don't hold themselves to the same importance and righteousness as the Abrahamic faiths
This basically ^^^^Although careful about calling Sikhism and Buddhism "Vedic based", you might trigger a few Sikhs and Buddhists
Call 'em "Dharmic". Much safer I find
Original post by nucdev This basically ^^^^
Although careful about calling Sikhism and Buddhism "Vedic based", you might trigger a few Sikhs and Buddhists
Call 'em "Dharmic". Much safer I find
This basically ^^^^Although careful about calling Sikhism and Buddhism "Vedic based", you might trigger a few Sikhs and Buddhists
Call 'em "Dharmic". Much safer I find
Couldn't think of the right word to describe them
Surely Sikhism is Vedic based though? It's just an interpretation on one specific type of Hinduism that in itself follows the Vedas
Original post by weamy
I have a theory. It may not be right, but I'm just putting it out there.
What do the West (the government, not the general population) love? - Oil (Look at what happened to Iraq)
Where are the majority of muslim countries? - The Middle East
What is the middle east rich in? - Oil
How can the West get more oil? - 'Doing an Iraq'
How can they justify an invasion? - Propoganga of Islamophobia
Ta-da.
If they are any flaws, please let me know. Educate or be educated is my motto.
What do the West (the government, not the general population) love? - Oil (Look at what happened to Iraq)
Where are the majority of muslim countries? - The Middle East
What is the middle east rich in? - Oil
How can the West get more oil? - 'Doing an Iraq'
How can they justify an invasion? - Propoganga of Islamophobia
Ta-da.
If they are any flaws, please let me know. Educate or be educated is my motto.
So just a conspiracy and nothing to do with islam and it being an incredibly violent, medieval cult that was never reformed? It isn't just the West, the entire world is under attack.
Countries in which Islamist terrorist attacks have occurred between September 11, 2001, and May 2013 :
Original post by lNurl
Because it's a global game.....
Big countries look at them see the religion and population grow, they stick to whatever they believe (which means it's easier to anger them) in comparison to western countries.
it's like bullying, but not your usual school bullying, it's on bigger scale, something like,
West: we are not allowed many things in our religion, but we don't care, we do whatever we want, do the same
Islam: No thanks, we are good, we like to practise whatever we want
W: Eat this pig with alcohol
I: No
W: Do it, or you will regret
I: NO!
W: Lets start a war over there, and make it look like its their fault...
W: Lets video something half fake half true, and show it to whole world
W: Islam, you should have eaten that pig!
Think about it, why don't America care about North Korea? Because they don't have oil, or anything that America/West can exploit.
Big countries look at them see the religion and population grow, they stick to whatever they believe (which means it's easier to anger them) in comparison to western countries.
it's like bullying, but not your usual school bullying, it's on bigger scale, something like,
West: we are not allowed many things in our religion, but we don't care, we do whatever we want, do the same
Islam: No thanks, we are good, we like to practise whatever we want
W: Eat this pig with alcohol
I: No
W: Do it, or you will regret
I: NO!
W: Lets start a war over there, and make it look like its their fault...
W: Lets video something half fake half true, and show it to whole world
W: Islam, you should have eaten that pig!
Think about it, why don't America care about North Korea? Because they don't have oil, or anything that America/West can exploit.
I think very few people in the West care whether people eat pork or not. I've never heard of Veganphobia.
Maybe because they aren't barbaric, intolerant, repulsive religions which have no hope of integrating with liberal western society.
Original post by lNurl
I see your points, I agree with all of them. It's all correct and true.
But lets face it, tea vs alcohol for socialising, making friends... Also, majority of Muslims don't even go to places where alcohol served, even if they don't drink.
Tea is amazing drink but alcohol is a game changer
and I think motives of not drinking alcohol is important as well:
-Religion
-Medical condition
-Driving
-New years resolution
-Promise to partner etc
When you bring in religion, things get complicated: in my language there is a phrase, I will translate it, (sorry for bad translation from beginning): it says "Whoever is going to hell, will try to find friends to go with him",,,,
In this thread:
1. Finance/Money
2. We had prohibitions in our religion, but we stopped it, we changed our scripts, do it.
3. Not enough education in Muslim societies.
My country majority muslim, not practising, we drink, wear whatever we want, more or less European.
We could be great country, maybe popular one too.... but media always shows bad things, I know how it's wrong, I know how BBC hate us, I know reality but media always messes peoples mind up.
becauase of this global game of power.
But lets face it, tea vs alcohol for socialising, making friends... Also, majority of Muslims don't even go to places where alcohol served, even if they don't drink.
Tea is amazing drink
but alcohol is a game changer and I think motives of not drinking alcohol is important as well:
-Religion
-Medical condition
-Driving
-New years resolution
-Promise to partner etc
When you bring in religion, things get complicated: in my language there is a phrase, I will translate it, (sorry for bad translation from beginning): it says "Whoever is going to hell, will try to find friends to go with him",,,,
In this thread:
1. Finance/Money
2. We had prohibitions in our religion, but we stopped it, we changed our scripts, do it.
3. Not enough education in Muslim societies.
My country majority muslim, not practising, we drink, wear whatever we want, more or less European.
We could be great country, maybe popular one too.... but media always shows bad things, I know how it's wrong, I know how BBC hate us, I know reality but media always messes peoples mind up.
becauase of this global game of power.
Thank you for this reply! It's really interesting to hear your perspective on these issues. I would like to talk to you more, I think.
I am a devout Catholic and the similarities between Islam and Catholicism are great.
One big difference is in our view of sinful things...I also agree that drunkenness is wrong. The difference between Christianity and Islam is that the Christian is encouraged to go upto the person he disagrees with and be his friend in the hope he'll change his ways. In Islam, you seem to run away from sinful people because you think they will infect you with their sinfulness. Ultimately, we believe in the power of God that our ways will be a shining example and they will follow God rather than running away from sin, we embrace it because we believe in the power to change it and to change people.
That's one of the reasons I think Islam sort of locks itself away from the rest of society. Do you know what I mean?
Original post by Erebor
So just a conspiracy and nothing to do with islam and it being an incredibly violent, medieval cult that was never reformed? It isn't just the West, the entire world is under attack.
Countries in which Islamist terrorist attacks have occurred between September 11, 2001, and May 2013 :
Countries in which Islamist terrorist attacks have occurred between September 11, 2001, and May 2013 :
conspiracy theory definiton -
a belief that some covert but influential organization is responsible for an unexplained event
So no, not a conspiracy, but just a theory/hypothesis.
"and nothing to do with islam and it being an incredibly violent, medieval cult that was never reformed?"
Umm. Islam is not violent. You seem to be under the common misconception that just because someone says in the name of allah, it means they are muslim.
My analogy for that is that of someone saying "in the name of being sober" followed by them drinking 2 gallons of wine.
ISIS are b**t***s who are saying they are muslim as an attempt to get recruits and due to the location they are based.
I never said that only the west was under attack from terrorist organizations.
P.S. My theory is still possible.
Original post by weamy
Umm. Islam is not violent.
Umm. Islam is not violent.
Original post by Erebor
Continue reading my post, mate.
Original post by constantina98
I think it's because of isis. I mean if you look back in the history you'll see that there were periods when being a christian was a bad thing and as a result your life was at danger.
The same thing happened to jews during the World War 2. If you watch movies/documentaries you'll that not only german but many people around europe were convinced that jews are criminals,bad ppl etc.
I hope this helps: )
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The same thing happened to jews during the World War 2. If you watch movies/documentaries you'll that not only german but many people around europe were convinced that jews are criminals,bad ppl etc.
I hope this helps: )
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You do realise how recent ISIS has been an issue?
Original post by weamy
I have a theory. It may not be right, but I'm just putting it out there.
What do the West (the government, not the general population) love? - Oil (Look at what happened to Iraq)
Where are the majority of muslim countries? - The Middle East
What is the middle east rich in? - Oil
How can the West get more oil? - 'Doing an Iraq'
How can they justify an invasion? - Propoganga of Islamophobia
Ta-da.
If they are any flaws, please let me know. Educate or be educated is my motto.
What do the West (the government, not the general population) love? - Oil (Look at what happened to Iraq)
Where are the majority of muslim countries? - The Middle East
What is the middle east rich in? - Oil
How can the West get more oil? - 'Doing an Iraq'
How can they justify an invasion? - Propoganga of Islamophobia
Ta-da.
If they are any flaws, please let me know. Educate or be educated is my motto.
1. The "West" wasn't united during the Iraq war.
2. The motives of the war weren't only about oil.
3. The four largest Muslim countries (Indonesia, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh) are not in the Middle East.
4. "Doing an Iraq" is a very costly and ineffective way to "get more oil", since it took ten years for the Iraq production to recover to its pre-war level. Moreover, there are currently 23 oil contracts with foreign companies in Iraq - only seven of them involve Western companies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petroleum_industry_in_Iraq#Service_contracts_licensing_results
5. The invasion was justified by the WMD, not Islamophobia.
(edited 7 years ago)
We have anti-Semitism.
Original post by JC.
I suspect it's got something to do with the fact that those individuals manage to just quietly get on with their lives instead of saying and doing stupid things with a bit of terrorism thrown in for good measure.
There is a whole world out there of religious violence for you to explore.
Original post by ChaoticButterfly
We have anti-Semitism.
Anti-Semitism is generally not the hate of the Jewish religion and cannot be associated to any X-phobia.
Because:
We do not have a disproportionate amount of extremists
We don't actively try to convert
We are more about philosophy and way of life rather than following a book to the letter
The majority of us aren't obsessed and fanatical about it being the perfect religion as a fact, just the perfect religion for us
There isn't much controversy when it comes to our teachings or philosophies
Beliefs are not outdated or clash with modern law and society
Open to change
More open minded
"Not my problem/not real muslims/not us" mentality
These are the reasons that I have heard when I've asked people the same thing.
We do not have a disproportionate amount of extremists
We don't actively try to convert
We are more about philosophy and way of life rather than following a book to the letter
The majority of us aren't obsessed and fanatical about it being the perfect religion as a fact, just the perfect religion for us
There isn't much controversy when it comes to our teachings or philosophies
Beliefs are not outdated or clash with modern law and society
Open to change
More open minded
"Not my problem/not real muslims/not us" mentality
These are the reasons that I have heard when I've asked people the same thing.
(edited 7 years ago)
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