OCR Latin AS 2015

Does anyone know how to nail 100% the literature paper?

Reply 62

Original post by M101m

I put the result clause into a perfect subjunctive but you have done imperfect subjunctive. I think it could be either, but from memory when it is a completed action it goes into the perfect.
Stupidly missed out posset because i didn't know how to conjugate it
For the last one, i that not a hope for the future? therefore using the present subjunctive??

Reply 63

Here is my Cicero translation:
When I was not only suspecting these things, but I was clearly seeing them(for they were not managed secretly), I said in the senate that I would be a popular consul. For what is there as popular as freedom? You see that this is sought not only by all men but even by wild animals and it is placed ahead of all matters. What is there as popular as peace? A thing which is so popular that you think very great troubles need to be undertaken, if eventually you can be in peace.

Reply 64

Original post by Ladondapull

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Alright lad? How did you find the Latin exam then?

Reply 65

Original post by stripedbox

Alright lad? How did you find the Latin exam then?

I think I nailed it wbu?

Reply 66

Original post by james..michael

Perfect subjunctive (according to the rules I have) may (note the may) be used if 'the result is sudden or instantaneous', but most of the time for any past (other than something like 'I have had' instead of 'I had') the imperfect subjunctive is best.

For a verb of promising, you should use a future infinitive, as said in my section on indirect statements. Could you explain why you would think to use subjunctive (it's been a while since I really looked at the rules I have, so I don't know if there's something about this somewhere else)? Also note that the infinitive used here is not in the correct case.

Reply 67

Original post by Ladondapull

I think I nailed it wbu?

I don't know tbf. Happy though :smile:

Reply 68

Original post by stripedbox

I don't know tbf. Happy though :smile:

Good on u🙌🏿

Reply 69

Original post by Ladondapull

I translated gerebantur as 'carried out', because I couldn't think of a better translation; 'managed' is much better, though. I translated otium as 'leisure', not 'peace'.

Reply 70

I wanna know how everyone's preparing for the lit exam? If you're even gunna bother?

Reply 71

Original post by fablereader

I translated gerebantur as 'carried out', because I couldn't think of a better translation; 'managed' is much better, though. I translated otium as 'leisure', not 'peace'.

They all seem like sensible translations👍🏿

Reply 72

Original post by stripedbox

I wanna know how everyone's preparing for the lit exam? If you're even gunna bother?

I haven't yet but I'm starting this weekend!

Reply 73

So the perfect subjunctive is wrong? From my text book it says that when it is a continuous action in the past the imperfect subjunctive is used but when it is completed in the past, the perfect subjunctive is used
From my textbook any wish or hope for the future uses the present subjunctive. I think this is what they were getting at. I can't see the indirect statement?
Also doesn't fortissimus go like bonus/a/um so in this case it would be fortissimi??
I'm also not sure about last sentence, I can't remember it being 'the army of the enemy' can anyone remember what it is?

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Reply 74

Hopefully, forte, I will get an A :wink:

Reply 75

Original post by james..michael

I'm not sure about the perfect subjunctive. It probably depends on what the people who look over the exam think about it. I would probably be fine with using a perfect subjunctive (the sentence can be interpreted either way), but I'm no exam marker.

We probably have different rule books. Do you know what section this comment about the present subjunctive was in?

You're right about fortissimus, too, I didn't notice that.

Reply 76

Ok i think i just got it wrong, it is an indirect statement. It is only when utinam is present that it is considered a "wish for the future".
I remember the first question was 'when something happened". I completely forgot about cum clauses so i got the first part of the sentence wrong. Will i get any marks for saying Quando for when?

1. when (something happened),they left now from the forum
Quando (not using subjunctive) , nunc ab foro discesserunt
2. So great was the crowd that many citizens were wounded
Turba tanta erat ut multos cives vulnerati sint
3. Even the strongest were asking who could now defend the city
Etiam fortissimi rogabant quis nunc defendere urbem (missing out posse)
4. They were fearing that the enemy would overpower the guards
Timebant ne hostem (maybe this should be in nominitive?) custodes superarent
5. They hoped that … would perish
Speraverunt (all of sentence right expect wrong use of verb)

Reply 77

Original post by james..michael

Also if i said "on account of so many victories they yielded many cities to the romans" in the translation, how many marks would i lose- just a minor or is that right?

Reply 78

Original post by james..michael

Also if i said "on account of so many victories they yielded many cities to the romans" in the translation, how many marks would i lose- just a minor or is that right?

Well, you translated the words right, but just got mixed up with their order. I would think that you still conveyed the meaning of the sentence, so I think it is a bit uncertain whether it would be counted as major or minor. Looking at a mark scheme, they count 'wrong case' as a major error, but even if the exam marker counts that as a major error it would lose at most only 1 point.

Reply 79