Why do leftists love Islam?

There's an interesting book by a lefty called Nick Cohen which examines the subject of the left losing its moral compass over radical Islam.

Worth a read...

http://www.amazon.com/Whats-Left-How-Lost-its/dp/0007229704

I just remembered why I take regular breaks from tsr. On the subject of politics, why do righties love generalising?

I live in a area where there is a higher than average muslim population. I have never met a bad muslim in the 12 years I have been living here. The muslims I know and grew up with are kind, tolerant and friendly. The muslims in Britain, I believe, are just trying to live their lives. How would like to be compared to the KKK every day of your life? Every race and religion on Earth has good and bad sides. Learn and embrace their ways and they will do the same for you. I invite muslims over for christmas and I have visted them for Eid. I find other cultures fascinating and I have never been forced to do anything against my morals. As long as they are not hurting anyone, let them be.

Yes some of these countries alarm me. But for me that is not an issue of Islam itself.

I just remembered why I take regular breaks from tsr. On the subject of politics, why do righties love generalising?

I live in a area where there is a higher than average muslim population. I have never met a bad muslim in the 12 years I have been living here. The muslims I know and grew up with are kind, tolerant and friendly. The muslims in Britain, I believe, are just trying to live their lives. How would like to be compared to the KKK every day of your life? Every race and religion on Earth has good and bad sides. Learn and embrace their ways and they will do the same for you. I invite muslims over for christmas and I have visted them for Eid. I find other cultures fascinating and I have never been forced to do anything against my morals. As long as they are not hurting anyone, let them be.

I just remembered why I take regular breaks from tsr. On the subject of politics, why do righties love generalising?

I live in a area where there is a higher than average muslim population. I have never met a bad muslim in the 12 years I have been living here. The muslims I know and grew up with are kind, tolerant and friendly. The muslims in Britain, I believe, are just trying to live their lives. How would like to be compared to the KKK every day of your life? Every race and religion on Earth has good and bad sides. Learn and embrace their ways and they will do the same for you. I invite muslims over for christmas and I have visted them for Eid. I find other cultures fascinating and I have never been forced to do anything against my morals. As long as they are not hurting anyone, let them be.

I think both leftists and Islam share some common goals and use each other in different ways.

Both of them want to control speech/thought through the media, destroy the foundations of western civilisation.

Leftists and Islamists both want the masses to be unable to question their authority, the problem for leftists is they don't have any ancient texts to add legitimacy to their beliefs; not that it would add legitimacy but for the uneducated, if something has been around a long time they often consider it to be accepted truth. But progressivism has drawn a lot of lessons from Islamic fundamentalists, you can see it clearly by the similarity in debate tactics. They target academic institutions to spread ideology. Create social justice which if you think of it is just a westernised version of sharia law. Instead of burying them to their shoulders and pelting rocks at their head, they're harassing workplaces to get people fired. Same concept of calling on followers to carry out punishment instead of the law.
Leftists are for the most part physically weak so they cling onto Islam as the followers are more quick to call to arms against dissent.

Islamists use leftists to shoehorn their ideology into western civilisation and divide people into aggressors and sympathisers so they would fight among themselves. I believe Mohammed did the same thing before his conquest over Mecca.

How will this end though? Leftists really should consider how they fit into the end game when they tag-team with Islam. If they think they can be gender-fluid blue haired whales without getting their throats cut when there isn't anyone left to defend them then they are truly deluded.

Why?

Islam is a way of life, much more than Christianity is.

Hence Muslims are much more likely to have a violent/discriminatory way of life.

1. Do you think it's even possible to separate Islam and state?

2. Even if that is achieved, do you think that will change anything in how Muslims would behave, what views they hold?

Why do they love Islam so much that they shrug their shoulders when its followers rape women in the street? Why do they have the attitude of "it's just their culture man" when Muslims behead gays? Just wondering. Why is it OK for Muslims to act like this but it's not OK for non-Muslims to wear shirts with naughty cartoon pictures of ladies on it?

On what basis have you made that judgement?



Anecdotal, in the grandest sense of the word.



Well, millions upon millions of Muslims live peacefully around the world in non-Muslim countries, so yes. Evidently it is possibe.



See my last point. Millions upon millions of Muslims around the world living peacefully.

Why do they love Islam so much that they shrug their shoulders when its followers rape women in the street? Why do they have the attitude of "it's just their culture man" when Muslims behead gays? Just wondering. Why is it OK for Muslims to act like this but it's not OK for non-Muslims to wear shirts with naughty cartoon pictures of ladies on it?

I agree with a lot of that.

There is no question that the Left have become Islamism's "useful idiots" to use Lenin's dismissive phrase. Clearly the left's ideology is utterly anathema to Islam's key tenets (let alone Islamism's). It is relativist, Islam is absolute. The left is pluralist, Islam sees non believers as Kaffirs, destined for hell.

They utterly despise western lefties! But see them as useful allies in undermining secular western liberalism to be discarded when the mythical Caliphate arrives in the west.

Why the left fails to see this obvious truth is the question this thread poses. It is a combination of several factors, surely? Denial, naivety and the wish being father to the thought all play a part.

But there are two big things I think. First, the left doesn't understand Islamism, it doesn't understand that people can sincerely believe this stuff. It just doesn't get it, see the danger.

Secondly, it is also using the Islamists as an ally in its attack on the west and especially America, Israel and Britain. They hate what these three countries stand for and therefore agree with the Islamists who also hate.

Israel obviously because of the Palestinians, America as the "Great Satan" and Britain the "Little Satan" as an Islamist intellectual described it.

The left's self loathing extends to support of our mortal enemies because they loathe us too.

Strip all the edgy, counter cultural radical chic and that is what it boils down to.

i am a Muslim and i hate any one who does this,you have the kkk does it mean all
whites are racist extremists no.You have Jews who think they are better than everyone else,do all Jews act like this no,their are over 2 billion muslims in the world if you hate muslims you hare a third of the world population.

i am a Muslim and i hate any one who does this,you have the kkk does it mean all
whites are racist extremists no.You have Jews who think they are better than everyone else,do all Jews act like this no,their are over 2 billion muslims in the world if you hate muslims you hare a third of the world population.

While obviously not all Muslims are evil gay hating Terrorist oppressors there are a larger quanitity that many other religions and it is a big problem as many high up people in Islamic countries are crazy.

A few years ago when a draw muhammed day happened many people died and 10000's rioted all over a drawing.

showing muhammed on tv is seen as way to offensive and it is quite frankly stupid.
If on tv I depicted Jesus having gay sex or the Buddha at a buffet eating all the food people may kindly complain but would not go and riot and kill people.

Telling this to everyone who obviously does not understand the problem.

There is nothing inherent ideology called "being white" that makes people act like the KKK.

There is on the other hand, an inherent line of thought in Islam that promotes discrimination and violence.

That is a difference you people seem incapable nor willing to understand.

Instead you say "individual cases" (as if entire countries are individual cases) or "not true muslims" and you shut your eyes to the problem, instead of addressing it.

Violence is no more inherent to Islam than it is to Christianity, or any other major religion.

In fact, given that religion for many people is subjective rather than prescriptive, I would say that violence is simply not inherent to any religion.

People are peaceful or violent, and they will make their relgion will reflect that.

Are you for real?

Islam is a supremacist ideology, spread at the point of a scimitar. You must know this, right?

The fact that Christianity was spread by the sword too, doesn't negate that point it reinforces it.