Young people need to vote. Old people are destroying the UK

Both students and immigrants have the potential to work and contribute.

And ok, I am a "fascist", I feel so terrible now. :/

Both students and immigrants have the potential to work and contribute.

And ok, I am a "fascist", I feel so terrible now. :/

I think this is extremely wrong. I understand that the elderly may have a different point of view and you've explained that which is fair enough, in addition to the fact that OP has some arguments in his post worth noting but it should be fair to say that the older generation have worked hard enough and paid their taxes long enough over the years to be able to at least have a say - you can't just dismiss their opinions "because they're old and they have a different opinion to what I think and they might die anyway (as someone else once said, not you I know but you get my point)". They still represent a large part of our society, especially since we are indeed an ageing population, regardless of whether they have a different view or not.

They have the potential, but you can't argue that some don't contribute. There are retired people who work as well, so your argument goes both ways.

despite elderly people working for there whole live they are just cast aside and their savings are still taxed etc

they have no more long term view of society. It's all short term gains and who the **** cares what happens after.

I did say once people stop working. Not when they reach retirement age.

Congratulations! You've just described the average teenager's outlook on life.

How would you define working, though? What if they were a writer or an artist, or something else that doesn't directly contribute to the country?

That was a joke btw, sorry it's just that when people tell me they support a party who blatantly don't care about them, its just like why? I try and be open minded about things, but I seriously cannot see why. Young people are having it harder than ever under the Conservative party, you included...so why?

I totally agree with you.

But what you are missing is that they have no more long term view of society. It's all short term gains and who the **** cares what happens after.

Not unlike the bonus structure that in some way promoted the financial crisis.

Do you think pensioners would rather vote Party A that says spend this money on pensioners getting free train travel and free cinema tickets or on Party B that says spend this money on say renewable energy? No doubt some would pick B, but I dare say most would be influenced enough by the personal benefit of A to vote for A.

I agree with almost everything you say. In fact your post highlights some the key problems that exist (not just in the UK but my home country, too).

1. The young have their life to live yet the old decide what's best. That is a huge problem, quite right.

2. Politicians are idiots. I particularly love your part about May, too funny.

However, I don't think it is necessary to mention the Tories here. Sure in general older people are more conservative and hence more likely to vote Tory. But let's face it, all politicians are idiots. And that includes Labor.

maybe because of increased lead exposure in older generations, but older people are typically less likely to agree with a scientific consensus and less likely to change their views overall. We didn't start believing the Earth was round until older generations died.

Paying taxes.

And since when do artists and writers not pay taxes? Or do they all do it for fun, or give their work to charity?

Congratulations! You've just described the average teenager's outlook on life.

Let's look at this from a quasi-socialist viewpoint, seeing as you seem to be so enamoured with it. The average worker — a steelworker, say — works all day to produce steel for the government, thus indirectly contributing to the political system. He then goes home and files his tax returns, and in doing so directly contributes to the political system. An author, however, cannot contribute indirectly to the political system by writing books; the only system they truly benefit is the decadent capitalist one through their selling of the books. It follows, then, that authors and other members of the intelligentsia should have fewer political privileges, as they do not contribute to government as much as the proletariat does.

I understand, some can and do have that selfish view and unfortunately, that's natural among some.. but I think a large proportion of the elderly don't think like that at all, they care about the young, why? Because it is us, the younger generation who will take the reigns of what they've done in their lifetime, and on a selfish point of view, supporting their pension and I'm sure a large number will be grateful for that.

Honestly, I disagree that politicians are idiots. You don't get an Oxford degree without being intelligent, educated and hard working. I have no doubt that Theresa May is capable of finding and evaluating scientific evidence. The problem is that they want power, and to get that they have to appeal to the voters. I think, unfortunately, it's the voters that are idiots. Not all of them, of course, but a large enough majority that our government has to act like idiots to appeal to them.