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Original post by JezWeCan!
We can't know Aisha was nine years old.

It is considerably more likely than the Joseph and Mary story, because the early years of Islam are better recorded. But that history was written by hagiographers also.

Assuming Joseph was Christ's father, (we are pretty certain he existed because he is mentioned in Roman histories) and it wasn't an immaculate conception :biggrin:, it is hardly likely that he would have lived to the age of 90, which two thousand years ago was an unheard of longevity. The average life expectancy was probably less than 40.

And then been able to sire a son? It is hard enough for a 90 year old to father a child now, and we have viagra! :smile:


We're talking about the guy who's wife gave birth to the son of God... I think living up to 90 is nothing compared to that :biggrin:

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Original post by Are you sure?
We're talking about the guy who's wife gave birth to the son of God... I think living up to 90 is nothing compared to that :biggrin:

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Quite. The whole thing is ridiculous from start to finish. :smile:

Joseph at 90 was a mere child compared to Methuselah. He lived to the grand old age of 969.

Like someone already in late middle age by the time of the Norman Conquest living till 1969. Pretty good going!

Religions. Gotta love em... :biggrin:
Original post by Onde
Actually, the general trend is that the opposite is true.

You've clearly never been to a third world country.

In the US/UK, 9 year old girls are in no condition to even have a boyfriend. However, if you go to India, you will see fully mature girls that are just 10 years old. I can back this up by Acedria who is Indian.
Original post by Onde
Actually, the general trend is that the opposite is true.


And regarding Aisha(PBUH), there is no exact figure of her age other than 1 hadith that has narrated it.

There is absolutely no other reason to either make or repeat that disgusting claim. Aisha was married in 622 C.E., and although her exact birthday is unknown, Abu Ja’far Muhammad ibn Jarir al-Tabari recorded that it happened before Islam was revealed in 610. The earliest surviving biography of Muhammad, Abu Muhammad ‘Abd al-Malik bin Hisham’s recension of Ibn Ishaq’s Sirat Rasul Allah The Life of the Messenger of God records that Aisha accepted Islam shortly after it was revealed 12 years before her marriage and there is no way she could have done so as an infant or toddler.

Furthermore, it is a matter of incontrovertible historical record that Aisha was involved in the Battles of Badr in 624 and Uhud in 625, in neither of which was anyone under the age of 15 allowed.

Finally, Imam Wali-ud-Din Muhammad ibn Abdullah Al-Khatib, dead for more than 700 years, recorded in the biographical section of Miskat al-Masabih that Asma, her elder sister of 10 years, died at the age of 100, 72 years after Aisha’s wedding. This makes Aisha’s age at the time of her marriage at least 14, and at the time of her marriage’s consummation almost 20.
Original post by shakeebshams
You've clearly never been to a third world country.

In the US/UK, 9 year old girls are in no condition to even have a boyfriend. However, if you go to India, you will see fully mature girls that are just 10 years old. I can back this up by Acedria who is Indian.


Just because parents make you work in fields, or dress you up with make up and dress, does not mean you are done with puberty, or even hit it yet.
Original post by shakeebshams
And regarding Aisha(PBUH), there is no exact figure of her age other than 1 hadith that has narrated it.

There is absolutely no other reason to either make or repeat that disgusting claim. Aisha was married in 622 C.E., and although her exact birthday is unknown, Abu Ja’far Muhammad ibn Jarir al-Tabari recorded that it happened before Islam was revealed in 610. The earliest surviving biography of Muhammad, Abu Muhammad ‘Abd al-Malik bin Hisham’s recension of Ibn Ishaq’s Sirat Rasul Allah The Life of the Messenger of God records that Aisha accepted Islam shortly after it was revealed 12 years before her marriage and there is no way she could have done so as an infant or toddler.

Furthermore, it is a matter of incontrovertible historical record that Aisha was involved in the Battles of Badr in 624 and Uhud in 625, in neither of which was anyone under the age of 15 allowed.

Finally, Imam Wali-ud-Din Muhammad ibn Abdullah Al-Khatib, dead for more than 700 years, recorded in the biographical section of Miskat al-Masabih that Asma, her elder sister of 10 years, died at the age of 100, 72 years after Aisha’s wedding. This makes Aisha’s age at the time of her marriage at least 14, and at the time of her marriage’s consummation almost 20.


the mental gymnastics you have to go through to prevent yourself from admitting old mo raped a child is quite spectacular

At least most of the Muslims I know admit it's the truth but accept times were different back them
Original post by shakeebshams
fully mature girls that are just 10 years old.


scientifically impossible

but I suppose any truth will do when making excuses for a child rapist.
Original post by BaconandSauce
the mental gymnastics you have to go through to prevent yourself from admitting old mo raped a child is quite spectacular

At least most of the Muslims I know admit it's the truth but accept times were different back them

There is only 1 hadith regarding this matter. It hard to distinguish whether something is fabricated or not when considering hadiths.
I'm not saying it didn't happen, but there is a high chance it didn't.
Original post by BaconandSauce
scientifically impossible

but I suppose any truth will do when making excuses for a child rapist.

It's absolutely immoral and disgusting to harass a child.

but please don't say that. You would have to say that to Mary too......and hoards of other religiously affiliated people.
Original post by shakeebshams
It's absolutely immoral and disgusting to harass a child.

but please don't say that. You would have to say that to Mary too......and hoards of other religiously affiliated people.


Two wrongs don't make a right.

And anyway, it is a) not proven Mary was so young and b) she wasn't raped - she was a virgin...
Original post by shakeebshams
There is only 1 hadith regarding this matter. It hard to distinguish whether something is fabricated or not when considering hadiths.
I'm not saying it didn't happen, but there is a high chance it didn't.


so you are saying the hadith is wrong?

If that's the case why is it included

sad thing is it's not unreliable (the hadith collection this is a part of is considered to be among the best) its that you want it to be wrong as you simply don't want to admit he raped a child.
Original post by shakeebshams
It's absolutely immoral and disgusting to harass a child.

but please don't say that. You would have to say that to Mary too......and hoards of other religiously affiliated people.


Yet your Mo did exactly that he slept with a child when she was just 9 years old

Yes I would say the same about anyone who is held as an example of the best if they also raped children.

You being uncomfortable with him raping a child is a step forward though (as most people feel the same when they discover this truth about him)

but as I say for about 1550 years of Islam this has been the truth and it's only during the 70's onward that some Muslims try to rewrite this bit of their faith as they are uncomfortable (and rightly so).
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Original post by Onde
Aisha was still playing with dolls when she lived in Muhammad's house, which only confirms that he had sex with a child. Also, the fact that she is recorded as never having children would indicate that her reproductive organs were damaged by having sex at such a young age. In addition, the qur'an allows men to have sex with children including those that had not yet reached menstruation. Apart from this, no early Islamic sources in the first few centuries after the invention of Islam took issue with accounts that recorded Muhammad as having sex with a nine year old girl.

I agree with you however that what Muhammad did was disgusting, and not just because he had sex with a nine year old girl, but because he took silence as a form of consent.

The prophet had 11 wives in total over the years.
yet he had children with ONLY 1 wife. That does not mean whatvever assumption you are making.
Original post by inhuman
Two wrongs don't make a right.

And anyway, it is a) not proven Mary was so young and b) she wasn't raped - she was a virgin...


Mary a virgin?

You learn a new thing every day... :biggrin:
Original post by Onde
I see you have not addressed the other things I mentioned re: the early Muslims not faulting the hadith that said that Muhammad had sex with a child, that the qur'an allows men to have sex with children, and Muhammad having sex with a child who still played with dolls.

I do not just take issue with Muhammad having sex with a child, but I also feel aggrieved by his support of polygamy, wife-beating, and rape of slaves.


Which has carried on through the centuries, following his example, to the present day... :frown:

http://time.com/4152127/isis-yezidi-woman-slavery-united-nations/
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Original post by shakeebshams
There is only 1 hadith regarding this matter.
Wrong.
There are 5 hadith from Bukhari, 3 from Muslim and 2 from Dawood, that specifically record her age as nine years old.

It hard to distinguish whether something is fabricated or not when considering hadiths.
I'm not saying it didn't happen, but there is a high chance it didn't.
If you insist that something recorded by several sahih hadith is probably not true, one of the foundation stones of Islam starts to crumble!
Original post by inhuman
Two wrongs don't make a right.

And anyway, it is a) not proven Mary was so young and b) she wasn't raped - she was a virgin...


I'm curious. Don't you have to be a believer (Christian/Muslim) to make that claim?
Original post by champ_mc99
I'm curious. Don't you have to be a believer (Christian/Muslim) to make that claim?


No, why?
I am a Muslim, and I don't recall raping, beheading or even using derogatory terms. So clearly, you are wrong when you say "all" Muslims are bad people. You have 0 basis to say this, apart from what the media is brain washing you into thinking. You're too easy and narrow minded. Sorry ;D
Why do leftists love Islam?

It's not love, but rather marriage of convenience.

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