I'm an anti-feminist, AMA.

And at 15 you think you know the first thing about gender inequality and feminism? What a load of ****. Ignorance at its finest.

That is different from having somebody like Lara Croft, for example, even though I don't think she is sexualised as such, being sexualised. Sex has no relevance in such a game. In games like GTA, it has partial relevance and therefore, you can accept it to a degree. 'Heterosexual' men play the game for the game, not to see some busty cartoon and 'a lot more' does not mean 'solely'. How its bad is the whole argument of the movement. Your argument is, 'it gets men off, therefore its okay', which is completely *******s.

And so what if a lot of things are unnecessary? That doesn't mean they are okay.

I am not against the dictionary definition of feminism, but against the real feminism that is happening now, in countries like the UK and US.

Okay. I'm in the UK and frankly haven't seen this 'real feminism' where men are put at a lower position than women. From my own experiences I've seen sexism towards women much more than towards men. Towards men it's things like double standards in society and the stereotypical image of men. However towards women I see things like pay gaps (not only towards women but also different races) and portrayal in the media.

That is true, sex has no relevance in such a games, but that doesn't make any sexualisation in any game bad, which is what you said in your next sentence. However, your second sentence is contradictory to yourself once again. My argument is not 'it gets men off, therefore its okay', my argument is that sexualisation in video games as a whole is not a bad thing.

You seem to see contradictions and hypocrisy where there isn't any. And yes, of course you'd say that because it isn't your biological sex that's had centuries of over sexualisation, oppression and the highest rates of sexual abuse, rape and sexual assault. It's a combined mission and effort to reform things and the way people think about women and sex. It's all for something better and without it, we wouldn't live in the type of liberal society we do.

You are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine. I don't think there's any point in continuing the argument because we just disagree and that's fine but it'll go around and around and around.

Cheers for the debate .

Pay gaps, they don't exist. I've already covered that in this thread.

The portrayal of women in the media is the fault of the media, not society as a whole or the government.

I would rather argue ignorance is believing ones age determines their knowledge of anything. You can't predispose all 15 year olds to not understanding gender inequality.

I could go on for a while, but I guess my main point is the misinformation and false facts. An example is the wage gap - there isn't one. The "78 cents for a man's dollar" statistic is so misleading because it doesn't account for occupation, hours worked, job position and the time taken off when a woman takes care of a newborn baby.

And at 15 with no life experience, having not ever entered the workplace, how can one claim to understand gender inequality? It's ignorant to say 'I'm an anti-feminist because I don't think gender inequality exists', when it's something you're unlikely to know anything about.

Yes it does thats quite literally the whole point.

And at 15 with no life experience, having not ever entered the workplace, how can one claim to understand gender inequality? It's ignorant to say 'I'm an anti-feminist because I don't think gender inequality exists', when it's something you're unlikely to know anything about.

No it doesn't. It's saying that if a man and a women worked the exact same hours in the exact same job, on average the woman would make 78% of the man which is not the case.

Yeah it does. The thing is althoguh the case you described above does happen, its not legal anymore so, its less of a global problem more specific employers. What people do say however is that there are factors working against women earning as m!uch as menm. For examp!e, women are often denoted the role of primary caregiver, and maternity leave pay is often less that of annual leave or sick pay, Women are often given less hours by their employers, etd etc .

Something like feminism can be debated without the need for anecdotes or personal experiences.

I'm an anti-feminist because I know gender inequality doesn't exist, not in the UK at least, not at the legal level. I know this from real facts and statistics, not personal experiences.

No, it does not! They just added all the earnings of women, and compared them to all the earnings of men. How does that factor in hours worked, occupation etc? And if it isn't legal anymore, why do feminists keep spewing out this statistic?

It does require experience in the world of functioning mature adults, and not the world of the red pill subreddit.


Oh, you know that it exists? Whoa, real facts and statistics, as opposed to imaginary ones!

I struggle to see how some people don't see the huge difference in treatment that women get. I honestly couldn't care less about debating the wage gap, because it comes down to which studies you believe. However, culturally, women are clearly lacking power and there are huge numbers of studies proving this (I'd encourage you to look at O'Barr and Atkins' work, just as a little taster lesson).

The only thing so-called meninists have is the whole thing about child custody, but apart from that it's just white middle-class men who think they are inherently better than women.

Double post, I apologise.
Have you ever wondered why it is that women work lower hours or have lower paying occupations? You can spew crap about how "dem wimin not stronk enough for us mens work" but, in short, you're wrong.

Double post, I apologise.
Have you ever wondered why it is that women work lower hours or have lower paying occupations? You can spew crap about how "dem wimin not stronk enough for us mens work" but, in short, you're wrong.