What laws do the Brexiteers want to change?

So not knowing the name of every last directive and regulation doesn't mean they exist? Most don't even have nice short titles like items from most legeslatures.

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That doesnt sufficiently answer OPs question. Stop drifting off on a tangent.

Says the one drifting off on a tangent

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Getting desperate eh?

If you can prove to me that there are no directives with uk law to go with them for CAP or the Common Fisheries Policy, the VAT directives aren't things written into uk law and that the regulation or directive (probably I directive, which we can at least say "go stuff yourself" for a while with) mandating internal competition in ports which was passed less than 2 months ago all aren't things maybe you would start having a point, but given you can't you don't.

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Youve named problems, youre not giving solutions.

This one needs a little explaining.

Ummm, you do realise laws and parts of laws can be amended or repealed, right?

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Lets say we leave, we'll make a deal with the EU to join the EU trading bloc and we'll still need to abide by these laws.

And anyway, its not as simple as ''we'll just amend the laws'', thats very idealistic of you

It tends to take a lot of explaining.

It's not a movement with a single set of ideas and adherence but one that people often fall into by accident. Often people are tought things as they grow up such as that racism is bad but don't actually know what it is or truly understand it. On the other hand you do get self interested people who fanatically jump onto the bandwagon for their own purposes. We have a belief in the altruism of others that has blinded us.

At the core of it are that the rights to a racial, national, ideological, cultural or religious identity are denied the local inhabitants and when we complain about this or merely point it out then we are called racists, bigots, etc but that makes no sense when that argument itself promotes other groups against our own, at the expense of our own within our own territory except we apparently aren't allowed that either, it cannot be neutral.

Original sin relying on selected historic atrocities or merely based on historic success is invoked against us on a regular basis.

The principle of privilege has become even more absurd leading to called for affirmative action based on prejudice generalisation in the form of misusing statistics.

A number of leftists have told me that the UK will be coffee coloured anyway in a century and that race doesn't matter, essentially we're to have the colour bred into us. Try telling that to the Australian aborigines.

The more I engage with the left to really get to the bottom of what they support the more it turns out that they are genuinely racist against us.

It's really though the double standards that gives the game away. White British are held to a standard by the left that they don't hold to other groups or circumstances.

I don't believe that any significant proportion of the left hold these views. It comes down to the vocal minority yet again, in the same way the vast majority of the Eurosceptic right aren't racists. Discussion over the internet gives a very skewed image of a group's views when the average person on the street is likely to be a lot more moderate.

I don't know a single person, in real life, who thinks positive discrimination is a good idea or that an ethnic minority should be treated any differently compared to a White British person when it comes to laws or any sort of standard.

But both of these statements are absolutely false.
We have HUGE new trade deals with China which we agreed last year independently from the EU. Yes we can't negotiate our of tariff agreements, but by and large the EU negotiates a far better deal than we have ever done on the international trade front due to their much bigger clout. And with extremely low to no tariffs on EU goods, the UK consumer better off within the EU with respect to prices of EU goods sold in the UK.
As for providing state aid, not only is that not true in the sense that numerous UK markets have seen investment and help from the UK government (e.g. driverless tech has had large government support) but the type of state aid I'm guessing you are talking about (e.g. propping up Tata Steel) has been proven to be negative for the UK. Nick Craft and Christopher Wren I believe (an economic historian) have both written very good papers, and there is a paper commissioned by the government (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/future-manufacturing-impact-of-government-policies-since-1945) analysing government state intervention in the last 60 odd years and found that almost all large scale state intervention was "backing losers" rather than helping "young markets". In essence, where as support for driverless cars is helping a young market grow to potentially be a world leader, due to political pressure most of our state aid to markets in the past has been propping up failing markets like steel or coal, at a HUGE net loss to the UK.
And anyway, if we leave the EU we will undoubtedly join the WTO (unless you don't want to trade at all), which largely forbids large scale state aid of domestic markets due to the unfair competition disparity it brings between nations. And lots of the trade deals in the WTO are bilarteral and individual (although this is starting to change), so it isn't an exaggeration to say negotiating with every important country on every goods market will take years and more likely DECADES to do.

You can try to put these general comments like "we want control back" but generally, when you actually look into it, you find most of these comments are absolute rubbish

It's quite clear that the EU has exclusive competence over trade deals for its member states, so I'm not sure how the UK managed to negotiate its trade deal with China independently. Perhaps all is not as the government would like us to believe? Politicians should be honnest about EU membership and the effect it has on UK policy, then we could accept what they tell us.

I don't really have much faith in a government report that supports a government position, but either way it should be a decision for the British Parliament, not the EU. And China has been a member of the WTO since 2011 and massively supports its own industries with state aid. Competing with China's state subsidised steel industry has been one of the British steel industry problems.

I have never used the term 'we want our country back'. I do believe decisions made about Britain should be made in Britain, with democratically accountable British politicians free to react to decisions taken by other countries and outside bodies as they see fit. These decisions should also be subject to revision as necessary. If you think that's rubbish, please explain why.

Won't go into it, but the bottom line is he tried to make it so that foreigners pay a toll but Germans not. And you can't do that in the EU.

I think the issue is that you cannot say what the outcome will be, only the CJEU can make that decision.

What is clear is that the EC is taking the UK through the process, it doesn't have the power to tell the UK that it is wrong.

How long do you think it would take to type out all the EU regulations and directives even just for, say, the last year, one per line, you'll be scrolling for a while. You went and listed 21 bills and use that to declare "it isn't that bad from the EU"; when you dig through the figures you find that there are nearly twice as many directives and regulations from the EU Parliament as there are bills and statutory from our own.

All of the bills you mentioned are very insignificant, especially when the conservatives have waited 23 years to be government. The cabinet is focued in saving Camerons career in june.

The UK government needed permission from the European Commission to bail out the banks.

So not knowing the name of every last directive and regulation doesn't mean they exist? Most don't even have nice short titles like items from most legeslatures.

I don't understand what your post has to do with the German Maut?