why do people think this about veganism?

You can read my above post^


Oh I have tons of examples of idiotic vegans, in fact why don't i just direct you to the vegan side of youtube.

No, racism, sexism and homophobia are all human constructs. Killing and eating meat however is not, it has been seen as "the cycle of life" or the "food chain". Animals eat other animals, that is seen as "natural". I've never seen a homophobic lion, or a sexist bird. They are human constructs, you cannot compare the two.

I also have tonnes of examples of idiotic meat eaters, how does that prove anything. You cannot brand all vegans under the same brush by a few idiotic teenagers on YouTube.

I said "SOME"

How do you not understand that?

This is my point, SOME VEGANS are idiots, and go to extreme lengths to promote their message and it does more harm than good.

Nothing in there says that humans are "supposed" to eat meat today though. Nothing at all.


Science can be misrepresented, but misrepresentations of science remain wrong. I'm not misrepresenting the science, because I'm quoting from a review conducted by experts looking at the totality of the scientific evidence; that is, I'm not cherry-picking studies.

I've met my burden of evidence, as a result: if you want to challenge the view that you can be just as healthy on a vegan diet, then please explain which nutrients one cannot get on a vegan diet, like the person who wrote the nonsense before (but at least he/she tried).


No, my point was that psychopaths won't care about ethics or the environment. There are plenty of other reasons why people would hold ethical views but choose not to act on them, as you may be doing.


Okay, so you have no ethical objection to killing humans to eat them. I am glad we have established that. In which case, there's really nothing more I can say, aside from the fact that we should recognise that our interests matter no less than the interests of any other sentient being. If we wouldn't like unnecessary suffering to be inflicted on us, we shouldn't be inflicting it on others.

No you didn't you said "Their ridiculous way of going about it makes them seem idiotic." "A lot of vegans are idiots"

Even if you mean some, what point are you making, so what some are idiots. How does that discredit veganism, when the facts are all true?

And at which point did humans change from needing to eat meat to not needing to eat meat? Was it a specific year? A specific day? In what country? Who decided this?

It's your job as the group proposing the change to defeat every single study saying that it's perfectly fine to have an omnivorous diet.

This really isn't going anywhere, is it? I could talk about the effort that would have to go into a fully balanced vegan diet, but to be honest, I have better things to do with my time. And at which point did humans change from needing to eat meat to not needing to eat meat? Was it a specific year? A specific day? In what country? Who decided this? It's your job as the group proposing the change to defeat every single study saying that it's perfectly fine to have an omnivorous diet. I'm not sure about the concept of 'we should recognise'-what makes you smarter than me or gives you the ability to tell me what to think? I'm not sure there's much of a point of me even bothering to reply here anymore since I'm apparently so 'ignorant' (although how that conclusion is reached is beyond me).

@TheALevelStudent remember the vegan ice cream?

My bad, "A lot of vegans".

Did I say all?

I said some, yes some are idiots. They go to extreme lengths to promote a message. I am not repeating myself for the 1000th time, if yu can't catch on to my point then it's your loss.

If you persist with your viewpoint, then all I can say is that I hope I don't come across you in person, in case you try to kill me and eat me!

Vegan.. were you joking?

I can understand vegetarians, but vegans are just weirdos tbh.

I've said it before and I've said it again... vegans still wonder why people think they are pushy/patronising/arrogant/narcissistic/annoying? I thought we could end this maturely but no.

Our planet has never had over 6 billion people eating meat. It cannot sustain that amount of meat consumption. That is a fact. That is why something has to be done.

I'd like to ask, could you look into the eyes of a cow, and shoot it point blank between them, and feel no guilt? Then fine, our argument is over with, carry on eating meat.

I've said it before and I've said it again... vegans still wonder why people think they are pushy/patronising/arrogant/narcissistic/annoying? I thought we could end this maturely but no.

What if I do think killing another being to eat it is fine? The species is irrelevant.

Jesus it's a joke..

Thanks for the reply, but I find this argument very unconvincing. The fact that something is natural has no bearing on whether it is right, so the fact that killing for meat is natural doesn't make it somehow different from human oppression.

And, while racism may not be strictly natural (as genetic differences between races are very small), protecting the in-group and competing against (and discriminating against) the out-group is, because it's "natural" to try to propagate your genes. That doesn't make discriminating against people who are genetically distant any more right. Discriminating against people who look different to you was the natural thing to do centuries ago, and for some people it is even today.

I agree that these tactics may turn some people off, but that's a separate matter to whether the comparisons are valid or not.

Racism, sexism, homophobia and so on have, in the past and even today, been defended because they are "natural". Those who have fought and who continue to fight against these forms of discrimination have always made the point that, whether they are natural or not, that has no bearing on whether they are right. Speciesism is just as discriminatory as racism, sexism and homophobia, and, without trivialising the plight of humans, the fact of the matter is that we've never had a situation in which tens of billions of humans were confined, transported and slaughtered in horrific conditions every single year.

Well I guess this is over then. Good day and goodbye.