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Original post by Mathemagicien
Yeah, that's stupid, I grant. I'm a Europhile, but I'll admit the EU needs massive reform


I hate the elements of bureaucracy that hamper the EU, and I admit that it is unwise to simply assume that the UK can continue to support immigration without reaching a crisis point of inadequate resources. That being said, I still don't believe there would be any true benefits to leaving the EU; only drawbacks.
Original post by FredOrJohn

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Four words: buffer zone against Russia.
Original post by Withengar
Four words: buffer zone against Russia.


What are you even talking about? Bulgaria is no where near Russia. If this were about Belarus or Ukraine I would understand but Bulgaria?
Original post by 999tigger
Turkey has been in accession talks since 1987. There are 35 heads of negotiations whereby someone wanting to join must convince the EU they accpet their standards and values. In nearly 30 years of talks they have agreed one head and only talked about 15 areas. They will not go to the next stage until they have satisfied all 35 areas. These include the occupation of Cyrpus, whih wont be resolved any time soon. If you did some research then you might gain an understanding how it works instead of coming up with these crackpot ideas of yours.


Original post by FredOrJohn
yeah right, that is why they have kept Turkey out all these years - its certainly no worse, arguably a lot better than Bulgaria. This stuff is not worth the paper its written on. We all know why, the EU is racist.


There are numerous issues around Turkey's ascension. You yourself are complaining that Bulgaria is "not ready" for the EU, and yet Turkey, with several elements of policy such as Article 301 and women's rights (to name but two examples) do not meet the criteria of the EU definitively. Should they meet the criteria wholly, they will undoubtedly be accepted. Key ministers all see the opportunity for Turkey, but frown upon instances like government restrictions on Freedom of Speech.
Original post by homeland.lsw
What are you even talking about? Bulgaria is no where near Russia. If this were about Belarus or Ukraine I would understand but Bulgaria?


Quite simple really. Look at the map. It's advantageous to create a "buffer" zone between Russia and any European territory. The Baltic states cover Russia proper, and parts of Belarus, Poland covers both Belarus and the Ukraine, Romania buffers Moldova and the Ukraine, both within Russia's sphere of influence, but Bulgaria is there to cover a part of the Black Sea adjacent to the Bosphorus strait.
Original post by Withengar
Quite simple really. Look at the map. It's advantageous to create a "buffer" zone between Russia and any European territory. The Baltic states cover Russia proper, and parts of Belarus, Poland covers both Belarus and the Ukraine, Romania buffers Moldova and the Ukraine, both within Russia's sphere of influence, but Bulgaria is there to cover a part of the Black Sea adjacent to the Bosphorus strait.


Well what about Turkey? and anyway Bulgaria isn't some pro Russia Soviet backwards country. And actually I don't understand why everyone is so harsh toward Russia itself.

And why does Russia even need a Buffer zone, what are they gonna do? This whole thread is nonsense. Bulgaria are and always will be in the EU, so will the UK.
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Original post by redwhiteandbrit
There are numerous issues around Turkey's ascension. You yourself are complaining that Bulgaria is "not ready" .


Nope. I'm not saying its "not ready" - I'm saying the club is just for white european nations, Why can't Jamaica or Tunisa join?
Original post by homeland.lsw
Well what about Turkey? and anyway Bulgaria isn't some pro Russia Soviet backwards country. And actually I don't understand why everyone is so harsh toward Russia itself.

And why does Russia even need a Buffer zone, what are they gonna do? This whole thread is nonsense. Bulgaria are and always will be in the EU, so will the UK.


I'm not saying that Bulgaria is some backwards country. I'm saying it's advantageous to have countries close to Russian zones of influence within the EU, even if they have a lower standard then most of the EU. Nothing against Bulgaria.

What's bad about Russia? Homophobia, threats of violence, rampant extremist violence and corruption, annexation of Crimea, etc. etc. I could go on, but you get the point. EU is, essentially, a very good union and Bulgaria being in it is only beneficial.
Original post by Withengar
I'm not saying that Bulgaria is some backwards country. I'm saying it's advantageous to have countries close to Russian zones of influence within the EU, even if they have a lower standard then most of the EU. Nothing against Bulgaria.

What's bad about Russia? Homophobia, threats of violence, rampant extremist violence and corruption, annexation of Crimea, etc. etc. I could go on, but you get the point. EU is, essentially, a very good union and Bulgaria being in it is only beneficial.


Oh :colondollar: Carry on then. I'm just so used to people like OP saying negative things about Bulgaria.
Original post by FredOrJohn
Nope. I'm not saying its "not ready" - I'm saying the club is just for white european nations, Why can't Jamaica or Tunisa join?


because they're not even geographically in Europe
Original post by FredOrJohn
Nope. I'm not saying its "not ready" - I'm saying the club is just for white european nations, Why can't Jamaica or Tunisa join?


Maybe because they arent in Europe and arent adjacent to it.

These general objectives are supplemented by a list of more detailed objectives:

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an area of freedom, security and justice without internal frontiers ;

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an internal market where competition is free and undistorted;

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Original post by 999tigger
Maybe because they arent in Europe and arent adjacent to it.

These general objectives are supplemented by a list of more detailed objectives:

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an area of freedom, security and justice without internal frontiers ;

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an internal market where competition is free and undistorted;



Crap, Hawaii is half way round the world from the USA.
This is 2016, distance means nothing.
Its all white euro crap

The UK should get out of all this bullshiit
Original post by 2016_GCSE
These nations drag the EU down they don't help it.


Whole of the Balkans should just be jettisoned from Europe if you ask me. They add nothing to the EU. Just a drain on resources.
Original post by FredOrJohn
Crap, Hawaii is half way round the world from the USA.
This is 2016, distance means nothing.
Its all white euro crap

The UK should get out of all this bullshiit


Hawaii is a part of the federalised system that is the United States... It's a completely different concept to be part of a country than it is to be part of a customs union...
Original post by FredOrJohn
Crap, Hawaii is half way round the world from the USA.
This is 2016, distance means nothing.
Its all white euro crap

The UK should get out of all this bullshiit


I know its challenging for you, but the USA isnt the EU. Get a map.
Original post by Nidhoggr
Whole of the Balkans should just be jettisoned from Europe if you ask me. They add nothing to the EU. Just a drain on resources.


The majority of the Balkan States aren't in the EU :smile:

Original post by redwhiteandbrit
The majority of the Balkan States aren't in the EU :smile:



And the day they do get in, I'll celebrate :biggrin:
Original post by FredOrJohn
Nope. I'm not saying its "not ready" - I'm saying the club is just for white european nations, Why can't Jamaica or Tunisa join?


Please don't lie to yourself

Original post by FredOrJohn
It has the roughly the same GDP per capita as African states - about $7K per capita.How on earth is that country in the EU?We might as well have Botswana (also $7K per capita).Its meant to be a group of similar developed nations - or there about
Original post by FredOrJohn
Surely its racist to help bulgaria instead of the old commonwealth (West Indies, Nigeria, Pakistan, India etc)
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Why should you want to help white nations and not others?


Note who is calling whom a bigot...
No, because the EU was built to make war in European impossible, it was a peace and security initiative. Also those countries for various reasons do not sign up to fundamental values agreed upon to join the EU. That's not the Union's fault.

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