Bosses can ban headscarves and crucifixes, EU judge says

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You said:

"as long as it doesn't interfere with their performance at the job people can wear whatever they want imo"

Did you mean people should be allowed to wear whatever they want only if they are religious?

Isn't this about religious gear :s-smilie:

either way it would deter the customers wouldn't it? so it affects the performance of the company if their employers are in speedos and flipflops...

Reply 21

Joep95

Original post by Kryptonian

Is this a reason to leave the EU? I don't understand.

I think people should be allowed though as long as it's not affecting anybody else or their job!

I just posted it to see what people thought.

Regarding the referendum I think it depends upon the person whether this is to stay or leave but you shouldn't base your decision on this.

Reply 22

BaconandSauce

Original post by Tempest II

Hmmmm.
I'm no fan of religion at all but this seems a little draconian. Is wearing a headscarf or crucifix really going to affect how they do their job?

it's about how people receiving the service provided view the person providing the service (think Relationship counselling for 2 men faced with a women wearing a cross of with Jesus on it and a t-shirt saying 'jesus-saves'!)

Reply 23

z33

Original post by DiddyDec

If it doesn't effect your work then why does it matter?

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It does tho cos I imagine the customers would be uncomfortable wouldn't they?

Reply 24

Betelgeuse-

Original post by z33

Isn't this about religious gear :s-smilie:

either way it would deter the customers wouldn't it? so it affects the performance of the company if their employers are in speedos and flipflops...

How do you know a man in speedos would deter the customers anymore than a woman wearing a cross? It might increase customers... the point is it should be up to the business to decide whats good for it.

Reply 25

BaconandSauce

Original post by poundsoffat

stupid let people wear what they want, their performance is what's important, that's why you hired them in the first place right?

I take it you have yet to experience the workplace

Reply 26

poundsoffat

Original post by DiddyDec

You have clearly never worked in a professional position.

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Original post by BaconandSauce

I take it you have yet to experience the workplace

the same answer see my post above in response to diddy

Reply 27

DiddyDec01

Original post by z33

It does tho cos I imagine the customers would be uncomfortable wouldn't they?

And religious clothing and icons doesn't?

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Reply 28

username2313507

well done EU

perfectly reasonable for businesses to have a bit more independence

Reply 29

z33

Original post by DiddyDec

And religious clothing and icons doesn't?
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Why would it?

Original post by Betelgeuse-

okkkkkkkkkkkkk whatever their business their rules who am I to say anything I'm outta here bai :getmecoat:

Reply 30

DiddyDec01

Original post by z33

Why would it?

Not everyone is comfortable with religion.

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Reply 31

Bela Lugosi

I approve of this ruling.

Reply 32

Tempest II

Original post by BaconandSauce

I can understand your POV but it seems to come down to the "right to be offended" (which I don't think is a right at all) in the case you've given. I do think the line is blurred however so I can understand perhaps why the ruling had been made as at least it provides come clarity. Hopefully most employers will work off of a "common sense" policy - if it doesn't directly affect your performance then you should be able to wear it.

oh one of these

Original post by Betelgeuse-

Should an employer not be able to tell Steve not to turn up to his checkout job at Asda in just his speedo's and flip flops again?

missing the point mate- i think what the guy is trying to say is that they are restricting our liberties.
doesnt help individualism or expression
people should be able to wear what they want as long as it isnt inappropriate

Reply 35

Elivercury

I do feel the need to point out that loose clothing and jewellery can be banned in many workplaces on health and safety grounds - e.g. if there is machinery.

This isn't to say that I would support this law being used in an office, but there are clear circumstances under which these items would not be appropriate for work. Where you draw that line is a subject for debate.

Reply 36

BaconandSauce

Original post by Tempest II

Have to disagree I see it more as showing neutrality in the work place.

But the 'if it doesn't directly affect your performance then you should be able to wear it.' without sounding rude is a very childish attitude when applied to the work place where conformity is expected usually driven by the perceptions of a few (and we do conform as we desire to be paid so while being a natural Jeans and t-shirts person I wear a suit everyday to work as it is expected of me and whist I could stick to my principles and not wear a suit there are others who will.

So while I have bills pay, a car to run, a house to pay for and a life to live the jeans are on the floor for when needed and the Suit is tidy and my shirt is pressed.

Reply 37

ChaoticButterfly

Original post by BaconandSauce

Do you think this line of thinking should be extended to skin colour?

What if someone doesn't want counselling from a negro?

Reply 38

Bang Outta Order

You can practice your religion without pesky garments. Can't you? This really is religious freedom though, because other religions are free to be offended at your religion. So now no one can really over-represent their religion. And I think that's fine, you can still practice. They're not making it legal to burn these things, just proposing making it illegal to wear. Big deal.

Reply 39

BaconandSauce

Original post by ChaoticButterfly

Do you think this line of thinking should be extended to skin colour?

What if someone doesn't want counselling from a negro?

Why would it? how are the 2 comparable?

then sod them there are characteristics we cannot change how we choose to advertise our individual politic or ideas are our personal choices and in the aim of neutrality I can see no issue with the restrictions.

But to compare a persons skin colour with a the choice of what to wear is asinine to say the least and shows a remarkable amount of desperation in the argument (to be expected as it looks like this argument has been decided)