Is a pedophile who doesn't act on their urges evil in your opinion.
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Original post by RivalPlayer
By classifying pedophilic thoughts as a mental illness we're putting it on the path to normalization.
I definitely agree that some taboo things become normalised when you develop a sob story or excuse for them, but that doesn't mean simply thinking of it is the act of pedophilia. I hate the saying "thought police" because if I agree with that, I agree with thought police on anything, I'd have to agree with it. So I can't agree with it here. But if it's not a mental disorder, what is it? Besides a sin? It's a crime. And that's fine and final.
Original post by 0to100
I definitely agree that some taboo things become normalised when you develop a sob story or excuse for them, but that doesn't mean simply thinking of it is the act of pedophilia. I hate the saying "thought police" because if I agree with that, I agree with thought police on anything, I'd have to agree with it. So I can't agree with it here. But if it's not a mental disorder, what is it? Besides a sin? It's a crime. And that's fine and final.
It's a disturbing set of thoughts that's what it is. People can't handle the reality that there are individuals in this world who rationally think it is ok to be sexually attracted to children. Classing it as a mental disorder makes it more palatable. It makes people feel comfortable because it suggests there's some sort of dysfunction and it's not the individual's choice - they have an illness.
I don't think that's the case tho and in my opinion classing it as a mental illness is the first stage of normalising it. In my opinion it's a dangerous road to go down.
People will start to become desensitised to the idea of thinking about children in a sexualised way because it's an illness now and there's nothing to be ashamed about.
When something becomes an illness, a crusade invariably emerges to remove the stigma of having said illness.
When we start to be comfortable with the idea of pedophilic thoughts being the result of an illness, we start to embrace people with such thoughts into our society - it starts to chip away at any feelings of discomfort.
I don't know about you, but I wouldn't be comfortable having a cup of tea and a chat with my neighbour if I knew he/she was attracted to children even if they never "acted" upon those thoughts.I don't want to live in a society where such thoughts are treated with sympathy.
I think it's entirely appropiate that pedophilia is continually met with revulsion.
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I think feminism and the general attitude of adult women has not helped things either. Plenty of paedophiles that are 'on the fence' as it were and who potentially could form adult relationships are simply not allowed the opportunity to go down the legitimate route.
Original post by RivalPlayer
It's a disturbing set of thoughts that's what it is. People can't handle the reality that there are individuals in this world who rationally think it is ok to be sexually attracted to children. Classing it as a mental disorder makes it more palatable. It makes people feel comfortable because it suggests there's some sort of dysfunction and it's not the individual's choice - they have an illness.
I don't think that's the case tho and in my opinion classing it as a mental illness is the first stage of normalising it. In my opinion it's a dangerous road to go down.
People will start to become desensitised to the idea of thinking about children in a sexualised way because it's an illness now and there's nothing to be ashamed about.
When something becomes an illness, a crusade invariably emerges to remove the stigma of having said illness.
When we start to be comfortable with the idea of pedophilic thoughts being the result of an illness, we start to embrace people with such thoughts into our society - it starts to chip away at any feelings of discomfort.
I don't know about you, but I wouldn't be comfortable having a cup of tea and a chat with my neighbour if I knew he/she was attracted to children even if they never "acted" upon those thoughts.I don't want to live in a society where such thoughts are treated with sympathy.
I think it's entirely appropiate that pedophilia is continually met with revulsion.
I don't think that's the case tho and in my opinion classing it as a mental illness is the first stage of normalising it. In my opinion it's a dangerous road to go down.
People will start to become desensitised to the idea of thinking about children in a sexualised way because it's an illness now and there's nothing to be ashamed about.
When something becomes an illness, a crusade invariably emerges to remove the stigma of having said illness.
When we start to be comfortable with the idea of pedophilic thoughts being the result of an illness, we start to embrace people with such thoughts into our society - it starts to chip away at any feelings of discomfort.
I don't know about you, but I wouldn't be comfortable having a cup of tea and a chat with my neighbour if I knew he/she was attracted to children even if they never "acted" upon those thoughts.I don't want to live in a society where such thoughts are treated with sympathy.
I think it's entirely appropiate that pedophilia is continually met with revulsion.
I see your point in not wanting to classify it as a mental disorder and of course I agree the idea of an adult being attracted to a child is repulsive. But I don't see how an unsympathetic approach is helpful in all honesty when as already said multiple times, these people cannot help or control their thoughts and urges, no-one chooses to have taboo thoughts, especially when acting on those thoughts would land you in prison. It's not fair or reasonable to hate someone for something out of their control that harms no-one assuming they haven't acted upon their urges, much like it isn't fair or reasonable to hate someone for being gay or having a disability or a disease.
I don't think it's going to be normalised any time soon and as this is very different to other mental disorders I don't think there will be a crusade to remove stigma either. But I personally do agree with the DSM classifying it as a mental disorder, because looking past the obvious, it is ultimately a psychological fault in that person's brain and it would be harmful to both the person and potentially children that could come into contact with them to deny them help and treatment for that problem. If it isn't classified as a mental disorder, then how should it be classified and how should the problem with people having these thoughts be dealt with? I understand the worry that these thoughts could become normalised, but you can't just pretend the problem isn't there, it isn't going to go away.
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If even a lot of regular guys get turned down by adult women, what chance has an ex-paedo got? Western lifestyles are so dysfunctional right across the board that its actually never been harder to form a conventional adult relationship. These guys dont stand a chance.
Do you think this female teacher is a sexy monster? She is supposed to have sex with her own students? Is she a feminist who wants to marry 13-yr-old boy?
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No. I wouldn't want them socially accepted in society or have pedophilia normalized though.
In case people are completely unaware what a pedophile actually is, a pedophile is a person above 16 who is sexually attracted to prepubescent children who are 11 years old or younger. So no, a man who likes an 17 year old is not a pedophile. Can we please use the term pedophile accurately?
In case people are completely unaware what a pedophile actually is, a pedophile is a person above 16 who is sexually attracted to prepubescent children who are 11 years old or younger. So no, a man who likes an 17 year old is not a pedophile. Can we please use the term pedophile accurately?
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I don't understand what the problem is if they don't act upon it.
If they're not acting inappropriately towards a child, why are we poking and prodding?
If they're not acting inappropriately towards a child, why are we poking and prodding?
Not at all. Evil? Why would they be? They haven't done anything wrong.
The alienation of pedophiles is inhumane. The topic being such a no-fly zone makes it worse. Many of the visceral posts in this thread just show that it's impossible to have a mature discussion about the topic. Funny how so many """liberals""" are so pro-human rights apart from when they don't agree with it. There is a parallel between how pedophiles are treated today and how homosexuals were treated a century ago.
There's a huge difference between 'pedophilia' and 'child abuse'. Almost all pedophiles are just ordinary people. They probably hate themselves as much as you hate them. In fact, I'd wager that a fair percentage of the 'kill-all-pedos' posters are pedophiles themselves in denial (no evidence of course, just speculation). Meanwhile, child abuse is obviously a horrendous crime, but the two aren't necessarily accompanying.
Do you really think that oppressing and alienating such a group of people will have anything but a negative effect? All that will happen if you isolate and repress these people is that they'll become more likely to offend. Just look at drug addicts and mass shooters.
(Pedophiles have ****-tier taste though)
The alienation of pedophiles is inhumane. The topic being such a no-fly zone makes it worse. Many of the visceral posts in this thread just show that it's impossible to have a mature discussion about the topic. Funny how so many """liberals""" are so pro-human rights apart from when they don't agree with it. There is a parallel between how pedophiles are treated today and how homosexuals were treated a century ago.
There's a huge difference between 'pedophilia' and 'child abuse'. Almost all pedophiles are just ordinary people. They probably hate themselves as much as you hate them. In fact, I'd wager that a fair percentage of the 'kill-all-pedos' posters are pedophiles themselves in denial (no evidence of course, just speculation). Meanwhile, child abuse is obviously a horrendous crime, but the two aren't necessarily accompanying.
Do you really think that oppressing and alienating such a group of people will have anything but a negative effect? All that will happen if you isolate and repress these people is that they'll become more likely to offend. Just look at drug addicts and mass shooters.
(Pedophiles have ****-tier taste though)
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Original post by Screwsocietyy
Pedophiles may not necessary chose to be attracted to children but they all should still be put down.
What an incredibly ignorant thing to say.
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Original post by XiuXiu
Not at all. Evil? Why would they be? They haven't done anything wrong.
There is a parallel between how pedophiles are treated today and how homosexuals were treated a century ago.
Do you really think that oppressing and alienating such a group of people will have anything but a negative effect? All that will happen if you isolate and repress these people is that they'll become more likely to offend. Just look at drug addicts and mass shooters.
(Pedophiles have ****-tier taste though)
There is a parallel between how pedophiles are treated today and how homosexuals were treated a century ago.
Do you really think that oppressing and alienating such a group of people will have anything but a negative effect? All that will happen if you isolate and repress these people is that they'll become more likely to offend. Just look at drug addicts and mass shooters.
(Pedophiles have ****-tier taste though)
What you proposing society should do with pedophiles or are you even proposing anything at all? I'm sorry if I sound harsh. I'm genuinely curious.
Original post by SmileyVibe
What you proposing society should do with pedophiles or are you even proposing anything at all? I'm sorry if I sound harsh. I'm genuinely curious.
You didn't sound harsh, and you shouldn't worry about sounding harsh anyway. I realise that my opinions on this could potentially come off as distasteful.
"Are you proposing anything at all?"
No, not really. All I am saying, really, is that alienation and repression of them (even going as far as creating legislation against the drawing of children, which is stupid for many common sense reasons) does not do anything but make the problem worse. Everybody is so spooked by the pedo-fear that they will witch-hunt for them, and this knee-jerk response means that it is regrettably difficult for potential offenders are unable to get help and support. Even asking for help online will probably get you a nice spot on the FBI watchlist.
As far as 'solutions' go, there aren't and probably will never be any complete ones. We can get closer though. I believe that the massive technological advances in simulation and virtual reality will create a massive increase in the capabilities of dating simulators (I'm not being a pervert, there is massive money in this industry. which will be taken advantage of in the next few years. Stop giving me those weird looks, guys). In this industry, I see no reason why a realistic child-dating simulator wouldn't exist, considering the market potential. However sick this may sound, remember that in this scenario, kids aren't getting abused and manipulated (which is why child pornography is so disgusting and illegal in the first place), and I think that it would also probably decrease the amount of child abuse based purely on sexual urges. Hypothetical though obviously.
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Of course not. I feel bad for them because they haven't chosen to be that way. But to be honest if someone has those feelings/thoughts they probably shouldn't work with/around children despite how certain they are that they will not act upon it.
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What a crazy bunch of people the human race is, we are merely animals with more intelligence. Basic instincts play a role in our sexual desires. Attraction is a psychological primal magnetism most people feel and can vary depending on everyday life and the environment in which they are subjected to throughout life. Then we have the negative aspects of nature and this is greed and power which are linked to ‘attention requirements’. This can vary depending again on lifestyle and how much attention we gain when growing up and this can be measured in each individual. What satisfies one person can vary greatly depending on past levels of satisfaction!So how does relate to adults being attracted to young boys and girls. In my opinion I think the need for attention plays a huge role and satisfaction levels also plays a part.
Paedophiles can be any person from any walk of life so it is very hard to make an accurate judgment to all cases. With the case of Savile for example, the guy was famous and surely gained a lot of attention, so presumably his satisfaction level would be met daily right? Well wrong because in actual fact the more attention a person receives the greater the scale becomes and anything less feels like a loss of attention! This is called greed. So in order to reach the levels of satisfaction (sexual and emotional in this case) something “more” is needed. A reason some people use drugs.
So why does the person living next door become a Paedophile I hear you ask? He/She doesn’t have these high expectations of attention levels right? Well it is just his/her scale is different and this need for attention is just as high in comparison, think of social media creating a false scale perhaps? Some person sat at a PC gaining Social media attention.. but in reality expectations are not met? Does this play a role in this thirst for attention and this greed?
Thoughts..or expand
Paedophiles can be any person from any walk of life so it is very hard to make an accurate judgment to all cases. With the case of Savile for example, the guy was famous and surely gained a lot of attention, so presumably his satisfaction level would be met daily right? Well wrong because in actual fact the more attention a person receives the greater the scale becomes and anything less feels like a loss of attention! This is called greed. So in order to reach the levels of satisfaction (sexual and emotional in this case) something “more” is needed. A reason some people use drugs.
So why does the person living next door become a Paedophile I hear you ask? He/She doesn’t have these high expectations of attention levels right? Well it is just his/her scale is different and this need for attention is just as high in comparison, think of social media creating a false scale perhaps? Some person sat at a PC gaining Social media attention.. but in reality expectations are not met? Does this play a role in this thirst for attention and this greed?
Thoughts..or expand
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No I wouldn't think they were bad people. They haven't done anything wrong and you cannot simply alter your sexual desires. If anything I would feel sorry for them and would hope that they receive some form of support to help them cope.
Also to expand.. I don't believe that all pedophiles are attracted to children necessarily and just that they see children has "easy targets" and vulnerable and why we have many cases of children from children's homes being reportedly abused. Also we reportedly have many Pedophile rings in operation and websites that promote the exchange of pictures, video's etc and that people even take these pictures or video's to sell for financial gain! So there is a market for this kind of thing!! Again though the levels of satisfaction an individual gets from seeing these pictures or videos can intensify over time. So what might start as older teens can start to get younger and younger until levels of satisfaction are met each time! Maybe this is how it begins to feel normal (to some degree) to these people? Again this is greed!
The people who share these pictures or video's might even do it for attention themselves rather than getting satisfaction from the images or videos themselves they might gain attention from being the supplier and become popular within this "community" of like minded people!
The people who share these pictures or video's might even do it for attention themselves rather than getting satisfaction from the images or videos themselves they might gain attention from being the supplier and become popular within this "community" of like minded people!
I find it amusing some people are claiming that describing it as a mental disorder will make it acceptable and remove the stigma.
Yeah, because there is absolutely zero stigma associated with mental health at the moment...
Yeah, because there is absolutely zero stigma associated with mental health at the moment...
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