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Is this racist?banker claims black people are just not clever

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Original post by WBZ144
I am simply calling a spade a spade.

I think your subconscious racism is showing through here. Better defend yourself quick or you'll lose your anti-racist cred.
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Original post by ohgeez
I think your subconscious racism is showing through here. Better defend yourself quick or you'll lose your anti-racist cred.


"Subconscious racism" in what way? I am prepared to be amused :smile:
Original post by Dnkz7

He is clearly racist, and I hope one day a black employee will actually face him and tell him what exactly he thinks of his 'white, middle-aged, upper-middle class boss'.


{playing devil's advocate}

You could easily switch this out with 'black' and it would be the same...

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Original post by Farm_Ecology
How is it a defunct theory? Genetics are well understood and its perfectly reasonable to endorse eugenics, so long as the criteria are reasonable.

Discouraging those with inheritable diseases to reproduce with those also with the disease is reasonable. Discouraging certain ethnicities is not.


Except this is discussing intelligence, not disease. Did you read the article?
Original post by J_M321
I can understand your anger and disgust regarding the banker's comments but I feel your reaction towards other forum members is too forthright!

As mentioned in my previous post, the man in question is clearly a closet racist (or a subconcious racist at the very least). However, he does have a point regarding the manner in which many black people speak/conduct themselves in public! I'm black but I really can't stand MLE (Multicultural London English) also known as ghetto talk/street talk and the "roadman" lifestyle many young black youngsters unfortunately pursue!


No, he doesn't have a point. Many black people speak that way when they are poor, because of where they grew up and who they grow up around. White and Asian people also tend to speak that way when they are poor. But he gives white people a pass, clearly, and focuses on black people and only black people. Therein lies my problem. If he had said 'I have a problem with people who come in to interview and they don't even speak properly' - fine, but the minute he made that out to be a problem only experienced by the black community, that's where he crossed the line, and the fact that this stupid forum of probable 17-year old Tarquins and Edwards are debating whether that's 'okay' is ridiculous.
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Original post by xylas
Ok I haven't mentioned money so far but we can discuss this if you like. Most definitions of success include the attainment of fame, wealth or social status.

How else would you determine that someone is successful or not? Name me a few people you consider to be successful.

You mentioned communism obviously this is a system that doesn't only limit the attainment of wealth, but also fame and social status. So unless your definition of success is different to most definitions, it is much less likely for an individual to be successful under communism.


Under communism there would still be famous people with more social status under any plausible theory of Communism, the idea of equal social status and fame is pretty much impossible but equal wealth is not and could be controlled by the Government possibly in the form of rations for example.

To me Scientists like Einstein are the most successful they have demonstrated such great knowledge of Science to improve our understanding of the world.
Original post by pizzaprincess
No, he doesn't have a point. Many black people speak that way when they are poor, because of where they grew up and who they grow up around. White and Asian people also tend to speak that way when they are poor. But he gives white people a pass, clearly, and focuses on black people and only black people. Therein lies my problem. If he had said 'I have a problem with people who come in to interview and they don't even speak properly' - fine, but the minute he made that out to be a problem only experienced by the black community, that's where he crossed the line, and the fact that this stupid forum of probable 17-year old Tarquins and Edwards are debating whether that's 'okay' is ridiculous.


He was being asked about black people and focused about black people, thats called sticking to the question you are being asked?He didn't make it out to be a problem just in the black community?

He has clearly said he would hire black people who could do the job and that is the difference between real racists and non racists like Trump wants to stop all Muslims getting into the US not those suitable to immigrate there.
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Original post by Dalek1099
Under communism there would still be famous people with more social status under any plausible theory of Communism, the idea of equal social status and fame is pretty much impossible but equal wealth is not and could be controlled by the Government possibly in the form of rations for example.

To me Scientists like Einstein are the most successful they have demonstrated such great knowledge of Science to improve our understanding of the world.


The idea of equal social status has a name. It's called communism. And I agree with you that it is impossible.

Of course Einstein is successful. Well done for saying what 99% of the planet would agree with. Don't you think it's interesting how Einstein emigrated to the US, probably the most capitalist country at the time...
Original post by xylas
The idea of equal social status has a name. It's called communism. And I agree with you that it is impossible.

Of course Einstein is successful. Well done for saying what 99% of the planet would agree with. Don't you think it's interesting how Einstein emigrated to the US, probably the most capitalist country at the time...


Einstein is well known for his left wing beliefs.He emigrated to the US for the scientific opportunities there.

http://www.history.com/topics/einsteins-life-facts-and-fiction
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Original post by Dalek1099
Einstein is well known for his left wing beliefs.He emigrated to the US for the scientific opportunities there.

http://www.history.com/topics/einsteins-life-facts-and-fiction


Yes its well known he supported socialism not communism. I won't argue with you over why there were more opportunities in capitalist america, but suffice to say that we agree on what makes one successful, luck playing a large part.
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Original post by Princepieman
{playing devil's advocate}

You could easily switch this out with 'black' and it would be the same...

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In theory, yes. :tongue: I read the article and he made some pretty shady comments about people who happen to be black and from working class backgrounds.

Still, doesn't change the fact that many bankers are indeed white and there is still stigma around the idea of successful black people applying for higher ranked jobs.
Original post by pizzaprincess
Except this is discussing intelligence, not disease. Did you read the article?


Yet ibwas talking about eugenics. Inteligence has a genetic component, meaning eugenics is not defunct.
Original post by Farm_Ecology
Yet ibwas talking about eugenics. Inteligence has a genetic component, meaning eugenics is not defunct.


A quick flick through articles from the past 20 years brings me to the conclusion that eugenics is not exactly favoured by people within or without the scientific community.
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Original post by Dnkz7
In theory, yes. :tongue: I read the article and he made some pretty shady comments about people who happen to be black and from working class backgrounds.

Still, doesn't change the fact that many bankers are indeed white and there is still stigma around the idea of successful black people applying for higher ranked jobs.


That's why as black people we need to do everything we can to eradicate the negative stereotypes associated with us! Speaking like Ali G won't get a black person a job in the worlds of medicine, law, banking etc as it reinforces the inaccurate and untrue stereotype that black people are unintelligent!
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Original post by J_M321
That's why as black people we need to do everything we can to eradicate the negative stereotypes associated with us! Speaking like Ali G won't get a black person a job in the worlds of medicine, law, banking etc as it reinforces the inaccurate and untrue stereotype that black people are unintelligent!


So true man, never a truer word said.
Original post by 0to100
Wait...you mean you don't have to be clever to get into banking?! Did i pick the wrong career...or is this academic snobbery I'm smelling?


Banking is the new rage eh? All the physicists and engineers are flocking into Wall Street LOL
This is no more racist than when other races do not mix. You have seen it aroung Canary Wharf and Liverpool Street right? Its full of white men its just the culture.
Original post by BodhiUtah
So I was tweeted this on Twitter and had a read and don't know what to think to be honest? I agree with a lot of it but it seems well out of order. Here's an extract of the funnish bit but check it out: http://www.citysharks.co.uk/2016/05/31/investment-banker-on-black-people-in-banking/

Would you personally hire a black person?Possible, if they could do the job, but as soon as I hear any ghetto like language their gone. That’s why education is paramount as it irons out the poor character traits and polishes a person for a potential career in investment banking.I understand totally but most black people come from deprived backgrounds?I don’t buy into that crap you can make it wherever you’re from. If you want to kill your brain cells by listing to Beyonce and Jay Z and walk around with a knife then your damaging your own chances in life. Plenty of black people life like civilized human being’s, it’s just that black people choose to live less so. Just walk around London and your see it’s mainly always the black people that need to be avoided. Just look at the prisons, black males are just a criminal and lazy men on average.

I'm not sure whether to be surprised at the amount of vitriol or the self-important attitude of someone who's only contribution to the world is pushing money around. If I know of anyone falling for the investment banking trap I'll be sure to show them this.
Original post by TrueDetective01
Shouldn't this serve as motivation for blacks to prove this banker otherwise? As usual, people on here are getting emotional for no reason


Standard sofa knee-jerk reactions :yep:
A Harvard student studied and proved this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Richwine but others disagree




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