Do you think uni is value for money?

No one is forcing you to go. If you say no, DON'T GO - simple solution people.

No one should even be paying for their education. Isn't education an automatic entitlement as a civil right? So why are we paying.

Higher education isn't a civil right, because it's not necessary to survive or succeed in any industry. You could potentially gain employment in any industry at all, without going to uni, if you work hard enough.

School education is a civil right because it provides you with skills that you actually need to survive in the modern world, and to find employment.

I rest my case. And it is necessary to get and keep a proper job, which is necessary to survive, my good fellow.

This is of course correct, however realistically how many people earn 65k a year at any stage of their salary? 1/20 people? 1/50?

Also, a lot of the more profitable courses such as engineering, law, medicine all take longer than three years so the amount they need to earn is even higher. I would honestly be surprised if more than 1-2% of students are able to pay back their loans assuming they take the maximum available to them.

I mean, sure they get written off, but it's clearly a ludicrous system. There is also no guarantee they won't suddenly decide that they DON'T get written off at 50 and people take them to retirement. Unlikely, but it wouldn't be the first significant change against what they promised.

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What course is 4 year?

This is of course correct, however realistically how many people earn 65k a year at any stage of their salary? 1/20 people? 1/50?

Also, a lot of the more profitable courses such as engineering, law, medicine all take longer than three years so the amount they need to earn is even higher. I would honestly be surprised if more than 1-2% of students are able to pay back their loans assuming they take the maximum available to them.

I mean, sure they get written off, but it's clearly a ludicrous system. There is also no guarantee they won't suddenly decide that they DON'T get written off at 50 and people take them to retirement. Unlikely, but it wouldn't be the first significant change against what they promised.

Plenty of people work their way up the ladder from jobs in cleaning or retail, and eventually get and keep 'proper jobs'. Also, apprenticeships exist. So no, uni is not necessary to get and keep a 'proper job'.

I rest my case :P

What course is 4 year?

As I say again, £65k is very much an example of the fact that incomes will not remain static for an individual over thier working life. Granted, very few people will be lucky enough to recieve that much income, but just because they enter into an entry-level job at a certain salary doesn't mean that they will be at the salary forever. Often many would aspire to earn more as they grow with experience so they can afford luxuries that would be out of reach for a graduate salary, such as mortgages, for example.

In general, Those who study subjects like Medicine and engineering will acquire higher statring salaries than thier peers. This could be for many reasons, such as time commitments and demand for a certain Specialism/skill. That's not to stop anyone studying any other subject from landing themselves a good job out of university, its just that subjects like those which you have mentioned above will attract higher starting salaries.

You are very much correct in saying that there is much uncertainity in the future about whether student debt would be cleared after 30 years, but the government has to provide some incentive to get as many people as possible to continue on to higher eduction in order to increase the general skill level of our country's labour force. Be it that they continue to implement policies to eradicate student debt after 30 years, or even simply making it so that student debt does not factor in to our credit rating and hence not affect our chances of getting a mortgage.

Value for money? No way! £9,000 a year for limited contact hours and treatment as if we're naughty children when we even email lecturers to ask a question (source: other people that aren't me, bit biased, shhhh). It's shameful. Considering just how much I'll be paying for Uni, I will make sure to squeeze every last drop of value out of my £48,000 student loan (plus maintenance loan + 4 year degree ) — nobody is going to deny me that or they'll face my wrath of me sending them passive-aggressive emails every few days. <— featuring the passive-aggressive smiley faces in odd places too…

I do appreciate however that lecturers will be very pressed for time and will have to manage many students, however… that is at the fault of the University and their management unfortunately. That's how I see it.

Woah, that was pretty ferocious. *exhale*

You again. Maybe you've never been job hunting (not that I care, and please don't quote me with your biography; also refrain from antagonising me with your :P as well) but the jobs I go for, require higher education. They require non-entry level skills, and job training is often a time consuming expensive thing. So having someone come in who already knows those things from their education is beneficial more so.

I'm not talking about going for bartending or burger flipping and then becoming manager and general manager. That must be what you're talking about. And lmao at you wanting the whole society and world to "work their up from cleaning."

People have ambitions and goals to be physicians, neurologists, scientists, engineers, entrepreneurs, administrators, educators, politicians, all these great things that unfortunately but understandably require higher education that is now very expensive, disproportionately so. And you quote me to say some foolishness about "working your way up from cleaning?" How do you work your way up to be an engineer? Not everyone wants to be sat on dole for years working in the garage, til they "work their way up" as one to finally become...? Yea exactly. Go "rest your case" elsehwere.