The EU protects workers rights

All the evidence to the contrary. There would not be so much exploitation without such a surplus in labour. You keep your workers happy if you would find it hard to replace them. Very very basic business practice.

Given the level of exploitation can only happen with the surplus of labour the EU provides us, workers would be far more secure and better protected with our own UK laws and being valued by employees

Your last point would be a good one in a vacuum but when the EU labour train (Is so heavily distorted to the rich countries) it directly causes the exploitation, it brings me back to my original point. The EU is bad for workers

Equal pay, holiday leave, health and safety rules, anti discrimination.... these are all real rights the EU has given us which benefit people everyday.

No amount of spin can change that.

Debunked by the guardian ffs. No spin is needed, it is flat out lies.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/06/dubious-claims-about-the-eu-and-workers-rights

I've already written at length about this on a few threads.

Holiday leave - An EU right. The UK law before hand only applied to a few categories of workers. Repealed in part in 1970's and further watered down in 1990s. By 1997 there was no statutory provision til the EU stepped in. UK fought against this.

The UK's holiday allowance is more generous - but only because we no longer include bank holidays. The UK did try and do this in order to have the bare minimum allowable.

Equal Pay - EU mentioned this in the 50's. The Equal pay act passed before we joined the EEC but came into force after. By then a EU directive was in place and the UK law needed much reform to come up to standard.

Maternity - We are more generous but the UK (in particular, Chris Graylin) who blocked EU moves to increase the provision of maternity pay. In any event, the EU has done much to protect the rights of pregnant workers - including protection from discrimination which would have been allowed under UK law.

So that's a few. A number of rights protected by the EU have been targeted by previous governments. It is clear to see that without the EU, a lot of employment rights would be repealed or watered down.

Debunked by the guardian ffs. No spin is needed, it is flat out lies.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/06/dubious-claims-about-the-eu-and-workers-rights

So the EU protects workers rights yet you freely admit THE UK already had these rights and even worse... our UK workers rights ARE BETTER AND STRONGER than the EU'S -

I'm not really sure how that article 'debunked' anything. Just because the UK has rights set above the minimum EU standard, are you saying that's a bad thing? I would also point out that the article makes a point of the UK having equal pay prior to joining the EU, but equal pay is one of the conditions to join the EU, which is part of the reason the equal pay act was introduced in the first place.


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we already have not only these laws but our laws ARE BETTER and stronger. Obviously thats a GOOD thing

Again, you're totally ignoring the facts here.

I am not understanding how? I dont see how you can argue leaving the EU is bad for workers rights and protections when we have already established that UK law has these rights and protections and are infact much more stringent and generous..?

Leaving the EU will cost workers their rights.. yet as the article states... we already have not only these laws but our laws ARE BETTER and stronger. Obviously thats a GOOD thing

Imagine the UK has £7 minimum wage and EU has £5 minimum wage

Its like arguing leaving the EU is bad for UK workers on the minimum wage.

We haven't established that. Here is what we can establish though:

1) many worker's rights are a direct result of the EU. Many were not in place until the EU told us to act. For the rights we did already have, the EU improved them.

2) in some cases, the UK offers more than the EU does. The EU doesn't set a maximum standard - just a minimum. That doesn't take away from the fact that it was the EU which established many of the employment rights we have. Also, in some situations, the UK has only offered better conditions begrudgingly.

3) many employment rights, because they come from the EU, will be at risk if we leave the EU. Past governments have treated a lot of key rights with disdain. The whole Brexit movie was about deregulation.

4) if we leave the EU, and the European Communities Act is torn up, legislation made under it is also repealed. It would be up to the government to say which laws stay - and those which don't will have to be established all over again. This allows for them to be watered down or got rid of altogether.

So, how will leaving the EU cost workers their rights? The government isn't suddenly turn around and go 'yeah, we promised you £9 minimum wage by 2020, but now we're just going to get rid of that, and get rid of all your other workers rights too', because not only will this cost them votes, there would also be serious opposition to any decline in workers rights, and I seriously doubt the government is stupid enough to change workers rights for the worse, just because we left the EU.


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lose the sarcasm if you want to make an intelligent point