Do you support gay marriage?

Stupid question gets a stupid reply.

No one said it doesn't stand. Clearly some countries do not accept it. That much is indisputable.

The question we've been talking about is whether they're right to do so, which they clearly are not.

You even hinted that with the "rational" adjective.

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You're absolutely correct. Most gay men DON'T have anal sex.

Sorry, but some people are against gay marriages.
You cannot change that and enforce them.

I'm rational about it because I understand that it's unfair and unjust to treat gays poorly. However, I'm against gay marriages.

can we just let this thread die already, gay marriage is legal in most places anyway... and likely will be made legal in other places in the future

"Western" view? You mean the humane, modern and respectful view apparently.

You don't see where I get this idea from? Please. If it were different, we wouldn't even be discussing this now.

I don't get when people think their arguments on this topic only refer to single elements. My point was consequential to yours. SA, for religious reasons, whiplashes gay people, just because they're gay. The society itself embraces and encourages this. According to your logic, we shouldn't challenge this because it's the status quo. Don't get why you're trying to segregate the issues.

The "being brought into something" argument is deeply fallacious and disturbing. There is always the point for change. If that argument worked in factual terms, black people wouldn't have any rights today, nor would homosexuals be able to marry in western societies. Someone always changes the status quo.

Erm, isn't that what I said? I don't expect them to accept it precisely because they're backwards. I'm well aware the corrosion of religion in those societies will not wear out.

Of course it doesn't equate to being backwards. Where did I say it does? There's a difference between religious people who respect human rights and religious people who do not. You can guess whom I was referring to when I said "backwards".

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Exactly. Then you and them are rightly called backwards and whatnot.

I doubt the corrosion of religion is wear out anytime soon in countries with lacking education. That doesn't mean I won't be walling them and you backwards or bigoted.

can we just let this thread die already, gay marriage is legal in most places anyway... and likely will be made legal in other places in the future

People in the ME will despise Western views whereas people in the West will despise ME-ern views/cultures.

Also, I made my point on how the ME and other countries will not be receptive of the idea of gay marriage but, alas, there is always someone who gets triggered and starts to put words into my mouth.

I didn't say embrace whipping gay people just for being gay. I even pointed out that I thought this was wrong. I said that many people in Middle Eastern/Asian society do not believe being gay is right therefore it is unlikely that attitudes are going to change towards them when a vast majority of them grow up in an environment where being heterosexual is the norm and that homosexuality is virtually unheard of to them and it is frowned upon.

No. Don't compare this to black people. You have got to understand, thus ending this argument, that the idea of gay marriage will not be receptive in societies where their culture, religion, whatever, goes against being homosexual in the first place. I don't advocate for removing black rights or gay rights for that matter. You're comparing getting married to someone with someone's skin tone/race.

You also contradict yourself. You say 'they' not accepting gay marriage means that they are backwards. 'They' being religious people.

Happy Ramadan.

can we just let this thread die already, gay marriage is legal in most places anyway... and likely will be made legal in other places in the future

I'm just going to point out that you've contradicted yourself.

Bigot: obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, and intolerant towards other people's beliefs and practices.

You not accepting her view and calling her backwards and a bigot makes you a bigot.

Well done, you played yourself.

can we just let this thread die already, gay marriage is legal in most places anyway... and likely will be made legal in other places in the future

Countries where gay marriage is currently legal: The Netherlands (2000), Belgium (2003), Canada (2005), Spain (2005), South Africa (2006), Norway (2009), Sweden (2009), Argentina (2010), Iceland (2010), Portugal (2010), Denmark (2012), Brazil (2013), England and Wales (2013), France (2013), New Zealand (2013), Uruguay (2013), Luxembourg (2014), Scotland (2014), Finland (signed 2015, effective 2017), Ireland (2015), United States (2015), Greenland (2016), Colombia (2016)

So thats 24.

Countries that have anti-homosexuality laws or being gay is punishable: Algeria, Angola, Botswana, Burundi, Cameroon, Comoros, Egypt, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Gambia,Ghana, Guinea, Kenya, Liberia, Libya, Mauritania, Mauritius, Morocco, Namibia, Nigeria, Senegal, Sierra Leone,Somalia, South Sudan, Sudan, Swaziland, Tanzania, Togo, Tunisia, Uganda, Zambia, Zimbabwe, Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Bhutan, Brunei, Daesh (or ISIS /ISIL), India, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Malaysia, Maldives, Myanmar, Oman, Pakistan, Palestine/GazaStrip, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Sri Lanka, Syria, Turkmenistan, United Arab Emirates, Uzbekistan, Yemen Americas, Antigua & Barbuda, Barbados,Belize, Grenada, Guyana, Jamaica, St Kitts & Nevis, St Lucia, St Vincent& the Grenadines, Trinidad & Tobago, Cook Islands, Indonesia (Aceh Province and South Sumatra), Kirbati, Papua New Guinea, Samoa, Solomon Islands,Tonga, and Tuvalu, Russia, and Lithuania.

Thats 77.

But yeah lets let this thread die because 'gay marriage is legal in most places anyway.'

Despise is a strong word. But in any case, you know who's correct by looking at records.

So yes, it is. Whether you're willing to accept that or not is immaterial.

I'm pretty sure we have talked about this issue. That they are not receptive is clear. That is not the point though.
You said that we should not challenge their views on gay marriage. When it comes to whipping, however, you seem to actively disagree. As I said, this only reflects your own views - you agree with one but don't with the other. It changes nothing in that SA, for instance, is horrible and backwards.

The comparison is sort of an allegory. You simply don't want to consider it because you know it destroys your argument. I didn't compare black people/gay people rights - I compared the notion behind them. If, as you said, things shouldn't be challenged because they're the status quo, black people would still be suffering. Ergo, your argument is fallacious.And? Both belong to their fundamental human rights groups. And both are equal.

How am I contradicting myself? It's clear that the vast, vast, vast majority of those who refuse to accept gay marriage, and thus impose their views on others, are, surprise surprise, religious people.
Happy Ramadan... I guess.

Interesting.
I didn't expect countries in South Africa, Russia, or Lithuania to be in the list.

Logic clearly evades you. There's a point when one point of view becomes superior to the other.

Gay people, by wanting to marry, do not wish to strip religious people of their religion, or refuse their "straight" marriage.
Religious people, on the other hand, do exactly that. They have no problems degrading others and stripping them of their human rights.
That much I thought was clear.
Also, again according to your logic, we should not flame ISIS because it's their religious beliefs and we would be bigots by doing so?

Please.