OCR GCSE Classical Greek

Thanks for the mark scheme!

7) was how his wife felt about his plan (afraid of the danger)

Another question missed was what Priam said to Heracles about his father (an old man just like me who will soon die)

I made a mark scheme, but its not quite right - please help find the missing questions/inaccuracies.

Thought I'd make a mark scheme for the paper-but i have forgotten parts of it, so you will have to remind me

Section A
1)
Q- For how long did the Trojans and Greeks fight? [1]
A- 10 years

2)
Q- How was Achilles described? [2]
A- The bravest/ of the Greeks.

3)
Q- Describe in detail the terrible deed which Achilles did? [4]
A- Having fastened the corpse/ to the chariot, he dragged it/ around the wall of the enemy.

4)
Q- Who was Priam? Give two details. [2]
A- He was the King of Troy/ and the father of Hector

5)
Q– What did Priam want to do and why? [4] (or 3, not sure?)
A – He wanted to ask/ for the body of his son/ so that he could bury it/ according to custom.

6)
Q– What did Priam bring with him? [3]
A– He brought gold/ and other/ gifts.

7)
Can’t remember?

8)
Q– Which Greek word describes how he went there? Translate it into English. [2]
A – lathrai /in secret or secretly

9) Cannot remember
Total: 20 marks.

Section B– Translation [20]
I can only remember bits:
/Priam was coming to the camp of Achilles by night in silence. The path was long and difficult./
Zeus, having noticed the old man and pitying him, sent Hermes to lead him./ Therefore the messenger of the gods immediately appeared,/ diguised as a young man from the camp of Achilles. /On the one hand, he was amazed, on the other hand the god told him not to be afraid./

Section C
1)
Q – When did Hermes disappear? [2]
A – When they reached/ the camp of Achilles.

2)
Q – Therefore what did Priam do? (Can’t remember the exact q…) [2]
A – He went in/ alone.

3)
Q – How did Priam respect/greet Achilles? Tick one box. [1]
A – The third and final box – He took his hands.

4)
Q – How did Priam describe himself? [1]
A – Unlucky.

5)
Q – What happened before Achilles killed Hector? [3]
A – Formerly/ many of his sons/ died.

Question missed?

6)
Q – What happened after Priam finished speaking? [3]
A – Priam and Achilles/ cried/ for a long time.

7)
Q – What did Achilles say he would do? [3]
A – He said that he would give back/ Priam’s son/ to Priam.

8)
Q –Derivatives of the words polis and gune. [4]
Polis:
Politics/ politician / political – To do with city and state
Metropolis/ Metropolitan – Large/busy/capital/prime city or state
Policy - A course of action determined by a city or state
Cosmopolis / Cosmopolitan - a city inhabited by people from many different countries
Megalopolis - a very large/heavily populated city
Necropolis - Large cemetery of a(n ancient) city
Acropolis - Part of a(n ancient) city built on a hill

Gune: Gynaecologist/ Gynaecology – Practicioner/practice of women’s’ diseases.
Misogynist/ Misogynistic – hater of women/against women
Polygyny - Having many wives/ more than one wife.
Philogyny - Love of women
Gynophobia - Fear of women
Gynephilia - Sexual orientation towards women
Gynocentrism - entirely focusing on women

Total: 20 marks

Please note: the use of the slash in Sections A and C denote each marking point. In Section B they separate the five phrases, which are each worth four marks depending on how well you translated them with the following marks awarded in translation:
4: Correct translation with one minor error allowed.
3: Overall sense clear – one serious or two minor errors allowed.
2: Partcorrect, overall sense lacking/not clear.
1: Not coherent, isolated knowledge of vocabulary only.
0: Totally wrong or left out.
N.B - inconsequential errors should be ignored – minor errors are separate from them.

As you can see I have 18/20 marks of Section A (I forgot a question for sure), 20/20 marksof section B (but I feel like I have forgotten something) and 19/20 marks of Section C (I think one of the three markers was actually a four (5?), or maybe an extraquestion – not sure…)

Thanks Those were the ones i was looking for. Now I have too many marks for Section C - anybody help me find where I put more marks on a question that was necessary?

Thank you so much for this!! I didn't define metropolitan as a large type city, so I'll probably lose a mark there and a few clumsy bits on the translation - but other than that I think it went okay!

Thanks again for the mark scheme

I think question 1 of section C was just 1 mark.

Do you have any idea about what constitutes a major and a minor error? (I used the wrong tense for the 'having noticed' participle, I used the present). I'm presuming that's major?

I put king of the Trojans too, also my mind went blank on derivatives of polis so I put plaza and defined it as an area in a city with many establishments such as restaurants and shops 😱 is that possibly correct? Oh and I think I put that Priam's intentions were to take back the corpse of his son or was it ask for it back?

Took a quick look at those papers and I would say that the A* mark for this will be 51-53 - easier than 2012, harder than 2013, very similar to 2014 and 2015.

My predicted grade boundaries are as follows:
A* - 52
A - 45
B - 40
C - 35

Oh and what do you guys think: for the question "Who was Priam?" I wrote King of the Trojans rather than Troy - will I lose that mark?

I reckon there was one mark for each of the following correctly stated phrases:
1 - He wanted to ask
1 - for the body of his son
1 - so that he could bury it
1- according to custom.

So if all you wrote was "so that he could bury it", one mark probably.
Regarding question 3: I would need to have another look at the greek, I've forgotten - likelihood is that you guys are right, but I cannot remember, sorry.

No problems about making the mark scheme - and thanks, I knew a clause was missing in the translation somewhere, that makes so much more sense now! About to change it. [edit: changed it]

Yeah i thought it was a pretty good paper, really annoyed tho, question 5 section 3 I thought son was singular instead of plural... so I put many had died previously because of his son. I think Ill get 2, for putting 'many' and 'previously', would I get another for 'had died' although it was in the wrong context? Seems like I got a pretty rare derivation, I put androgynous, someone who looks like both a man and a woman, and metropolis, a large busy city. Gd luck for monday

I got the whole sentence but instead of putting 'so that he could bury it' I put " so that it could be buried"... Thoughts?

And yeah good luck for Monday everyone! It's going to be a Greek-filled weekend!

Hi! Does anyone have a quizlet set with all of the paper two(full course) vocab? Thanks!

Is everyone enjoying their Greek-end? *cue angered shouting and throwing of vocab lists*

Personally I'm not revising Greek until tomorrow, too bogged down with the other exams next week for that. It will probably be harder than the paper yesterday though, because of the long translation.

I am mixing all the revision of my subjects up, so did some greek today - I have other exams too but fortunately I'm not too bad at them so they aren't quite bogging me down.

Although the grammar is typically harder in this paper and there is some more vocabulary/grammar/syntax on the spec, I actually find translation easier. I understand that for most it's easier to praphrase when answering comprehension as you don't need so much precision, but typically I make my silly (!) mistakes in the comprehension section (like how in greek 1 i wrote "king of the trojans" rather than troy, despite the word being given to us.

You see, teixos is not on our vocab list for paper 1, so was given to us. In paper 2 we are expected to know teixos type regular nouns (it says they are regular, but I'll explain why it is a false regular) but in paper 1 we are not required to be able to decline these. After much searching online (wikipedia to the rescue), i found out that teixos is a dental 3rd declension noun. Oh and its a neuter form of this unusual from, making it even weirder. Meaning it has completely different endings - and the grammar revision guide at the back of my grammar booklet (John Taylor's Greek to GCSE 2) did not mention it anywhere. So it therefore had completely irregular endings - which were not required for that paper AND my revision booklet completely ignored... UGH! Why didn't I just look at the definite article? *Facepalm*

Despite all that, it only cost me a mark max.

For me it's just that I haven't revised the topics specifically for the later papers so I need to do that and then catch up on the stuff I learned for the earlier papers.

Yeah, I got that wrong too, and also lost marks on that participle "having noticed" and the derivatives question. Luckily I didn't find the literature exams that difficult though.

My Greek class didn't get separate vocab lists for papers 1 and 2 - we just have to learn everything for both papers. And we have all the forms of teixos in our revision notes as an example of an irregular 3rd declension noun.

Yeah, for sciences (do you do edexcel igcse) I guess thats true. I just remember most the stuff anyway, I've now just got focus on a few extra topics and learning mark schemes.

Literature exams were all really good, except the question about the flower.

Could I ask which other nouns you have written down as irregular? My teacher and revision stuff glossed that, so they may have glossed something else...

Yeah, I do do that course. I find quite a bit of the physics stuff pretty hard though, so that will take some learning.

Exactly! I hated that question too, I wasn't sure whether to quote the Greek and bring in style points, or whether it was just comprehension.

On the specification list we were given, the irregular (I think?) noun types were basileus, polis, soma and teixos. We didn't get a list of all nouns required for GCSE which were irregular though.