So gay people are now being targeted by Islamic extremists in their own countries?

And that's the first thing you say after this event? This is the sort of thing that makes people question homophobia in Muslim communities.

You need to find a solution rather than just kill them... As A Muslim this is what needs to be done.

Solution for what? For them being gay? What has other peoples sexuality got to do with us? We bang on about islamophobia n being victimised but we're all to quick to victimise and hurt another community. The hypocrisy within our ummah is glaringly obvious for all to see and it is shameful

no if it was the bbc or something, i would probably believe it more

i dont care, do you have hard evidence that tells you the guy is muslim?

im not planning on making a thread but gay straight and lgbt muslims exist, but you know all muslims have the same logic so no muslim is ever gay

surely you saw the video of the kid who fell into the gorilla zoo enclosure! well just to prove how not all media sources a reliable, a news article wrote that the gorilla had ties with islamic state, believable am i right?

Okay sorry man. But I'm trying to be neutral about the situation.

The BBC has stated:


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-36510172

Homophobia within the Muslim community is something that needs to be challenged.

The fact is that there is room for acceptance of homosexuality within Islam. There is no verse within the Quran which explicitly condemns homosexuality. I think in light of this event (which sources appear to point towards Islamic extremism), more needs to be done within the Muslim community to tackle the issue of homophobia and serious discussions need to take place over Islamic interpretations in regards to sexuality.

Are you serious? You can't be serious.

Serious. In light of today's event, it is paramount that we challenge this homophobic interpretation of Islam. Here is a previous post of mine where I challenge this interpretation:

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=4052083&page=8&p=64507571#post64507571

They have

He is

Why can't a muslim be gay?

A zoo worker claimed the Gorilla had ties to ISIS, not the media.

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Okay sorry man. But I'm trying to be neutral about the situation.

Do you indeed approach men with desire instead of women? Rather, you are a people behaving ignorantly. - Al-Naml 27:55


Sounds like condemnation to me...

"in [its] general significance is ‘an excess; an enormity; anything exceeding the bounds of rectitude.’ but when particularized, signifies ‘adultery or fornication’ "

I'm not worried. I grieve for their deaths but this changes nothing. We've clipped 30,000 of those f*ckers in airstrikes, and we'll kill another 1000 over the next week as government officials order retaliation for this crime.

I'm incredibly sad the West has suffered another attack, and as a gay guy of course makes me angry. But it doesn't change the basic calculus; we're going to keep steamrolling over these losers until they've lost all of their territory, then we'll hand them over to the Iraqis to be tortured and killed. No terrorist attack can stop that now.

I don't deny that many Muslims interpret the verses on Lut to be verses condemning homosexuality. Many do take this view. But, I don't think we can state that Muslim scholars have always taken these verses to be injunctions against homosexuality. The concept of homosexuality is a Western term and was only introduced to the Islamic world through colonialism.

Now, what is interesting is that early Islamic poetry is full of homoerotic themes. A great classical example of Islamic poetry would be Abu Nuwas (considered to be one of the greatest classical Arab poets) who wrote many poems with homoerotic themes. Surely the popular arts are a reflection of the attitudes a society holds? The nude statues we see of ancient Greece show that within their society there was a tolerance towards nudity for example. Surely the prevalence of homoerotic themes within Islamic poetry would reflect a society that was more open to homosexuality?




I have nowhere made the "No True Muslim" or "true Islam" claim. I am challenging an interpretation. People are fully entitled to hold other interpretations, I'm just offering an alternative interpretation.



First you ask why I only mentioned it now, and now you say you always see me mentioning it.

Anyway, I often get quoted into such thread by other people as I hold a minority view that can create discussion. If you want a good debate, you need people with interesting minority views who challenge the majority or consensus. Also, it is a serious issue, as evidenced by today's event. Do you not agree that today's event highlights that there is a serious issue?

As a muslim i will say that our community needs to address the homophobia that plagues our mindset. Its the islamic extremists that are crazy enough to carry out these mad acts but its our moderate conservative majority that actually believe its okay to kill someone because theyre gay. There will be many families breaking their fasts together today and at the same time talking about just how these people deserved to be killed because theyre gay. Our communities have to change. This cant go on.

Funny that what is really a norm in the US, because of its gun laws is being used as an excuse for killing thousands of people and starting illegal wars

I'd just like to point out that this discussion is about the shooting. Not the ethics of homosexuality.

Personally, I'm skeptical that it was a specifically homophobic attack. If the shooter was an Islamic extremist, they could just be attacking the western ideology.

I'm not worried. I grieve for their deaths but this changes nothing. We've clipped 30,000 of those f*ckers in airstrikes, and we'll kill another 1000 over the next week as government officials order retaliation for this crime.

I'm incredibly sad the West has suffered another attack, and as a gay guy of course makes me angry. But it doesn't change the basic calculus; we're going to keep steamrolling over these losers until they've lost all of their territory, then we'll hand them over to the Iraqis to be tortured and killed. No terrorist attack can stop that now.