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Original post by 99_Problems
If we are a part of the EEA we will have to accept 3/4 of the rules anyway and pay almost the same amount of money except with no say whatsoever in the rules.

If you think we can negotiate our own rules like the Swiss then you are naive. They're not going to let us leave and then give us all the goodies we want, we will pay a harsh price. We could form stronger ties with the commonwealth I suppose but Brexit still hasn't given proper answers in regards to this. So all we'll become is a silly little island with no ties to the massive continent right next to us.


EEA rules apply, by and large, to trading conditions plus a bit more on free movement of labour. It costs 40% of EU membership (Norway has 250% of UK GDP per head). EU rules apply across the board, intruding into almost every area of UK government. They are entirely different entities. One is largely about trade and the other is largely about union.

The EEA is less intrusive than was the EEC. This referendum is about the EU, a union that will soon involve us in political union - as was pointed out in the OP.

Make sure you dont vote for the EU thinking that you are voting for the EEC or EEA!
Original post by Elivercury
Again, forming the UK doesn't seem to have caused racism or bigotry between the involved countries.

Grouping to form a single whole does in no way involve homogenisation, anymore than migrants need to homogenise into the UK.

Fact of the matter is that much the the UK is intolerant and xenophobic, incidentally against countries from outside of the EU.

Incidentally, I never used the word racist. Being xenophobic, ignorant and intolerant is not the same as being a racist, although they are closely linked.


The Welsh and Scots used to have their own languages, let alone their own cultures. Of course political union homogenises states.

As far as xenophobia and intolerance are concerned, these are properties of most Remain supporters, its just that their state sponsored racist tendencies allow them to believe that their gang has the moral highground. To me they are just as bigoted and racist as the BNP but are far more dangerous because they have a chance of perpetrating their crimes on the population of Europe.
Original post by newpersonage
The Welsh and Scots used to have their own languages, let alone their own cultures. Of course political union homogenises states.

As far as xenophobia and intolerance are concerned, these are properties of most Remain supporters, its just that their state sponsored racist tendencies allow them to believe that their gang has the moral highground. To me they are just as bigoted and racist as the BNP but are far more dangerous because they have a chance of perpetrating their crimes on the population of Europe.


Honestly, I can't take you seriously. There is a campaign that is half comprised of people wanting to leave the EU to "keep the muslims out", and apparently it's the other campaign that is racist because they want to become closer to other countries and cultures.

There is still plenty of Scottish and Welsh culture available an in place. The languages also still exist, but it makes more sense to communicate in the same language really.
Original post by newpersonage
EEA rules apply, by and large, to trading conditions plus a bit more on free movement of labour. It costs 40% of EU membership (Norway has 250% of UK GDP per head). EU rules apply across the board, intruding into almost every area of UK government. They are entirely different entities. One is largely about trade and the other is largely about union.

The EEA is less intrusive than was the EEC. This referendum is about the EU, a union that will soon involve us in political union - as was pointed out in the OP.

Make sure you dont vote for the EU thinking that you are voting for the EEC or EEA!


Except the free movement of labour seems to be what the majority of people voting out seek to stop. So if we leave the EU only to accept the free movement of people anyway that would be a bit stupid. Vote Leave accepts that and do not seek to join the EEA they intend to wave a magic wand and negotiate a separate deal with the EU in which they magically give us everything we want for nothing.
Original post by newpersonage
Norway has 250% of the per capita income of the UK which is why, under EEA rules, it pays so much. The UK would pay 40% of Norway's capitation payment.

You are quite right to point out that if we were out of the EU we would have a chance of being as rich as Norway (two and a half times better off!).


and then we would get to pay the same?

by the way the chance of being as rich as Norway is pretty fanciful, as they set up their oil fund in the 70s and since then we've spent all that money, and peak oil has passed.
Original post by Elivercury
Honestly, I can't take you seriously. There is a campaign that is half comprised of people wanting to leave the EU to "keep the muslims out", and apparently it's the other campaign that is racist because they want to become closer to other countries and cultures.

There is still plenty of Scottish and Welsh culture available an in place. The languages also still exist, but it makes more sense to communicate in the same language really.


Well, I have news for you, there are also people who are deeply concerned about the removal of self government from all future generations in this country. People who are neither anti-muslim nor racist homogenisers. See OP.

"it makes more sense to communicate in the same language really" - communicating requires the same language but it is cultural imperialism to believe that everyone in the world should speak English and lose the wonderful subtleties of their own tongues. Your comment shows that you dont even know you are doing it!

[video="youtube;WQREDQjfzC4"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQREDQjfzC4[/video]

The EU itself doesn't know its racist. They are so convinced of their righteousness.
Original post by Elivercury
Honestly, I can't take you seriously. There is a campaign that is half comprised of people wanting to leave the EU to "keep the muslims out", and apparently it's the other campaign that is racist because they want to become closer to other countries and cultures.

There is still plenty of Scottish and Welsh culture available an in place. The languages also still exist, but it makes more sense to communicate in the same language really.


I agree, this is the work of a troll.
Original post by Unitailed
I agree, this is the work of a troll.


Yeah, I'm done feeding him. And people wonder why the leave campaign struggles to get taken seriously/issues surrounding the inevitable united nations or Europe get overlooked.
Original post by ckfeister
Conservative government, socialist EU... balanced power... the end.


Original post by jneill
10% is better than 0%. And we have a Veto.


Except for the fact that Juncker's own policy, and now an EU guideline, is that any nation that elects a "populist right of centre government" will face sanctions including the removal of their voting rights and financial penalties.

There is no way that is anything other than fascism.
Original post by Drewski
Except for the fact that Juncker's own policy, and now an EU guideline, is that any nation that elects a "populist right of centre government" will face sanctions including the removal of their voting rights and financial penalties.

There is no way that is anything other than fascism.


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Populism is a political position which holds that the virtuous citizens are being mistreated by a small circle of elites, who can be overthrown if the people recognize the danger and work together. The elites are depicted as trampling in illegitimate fashion upon the rights, values, and voice of the legitimate people.[1]
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I assume your a far-right winger
Original post by jneill

At least if you are IN you can try to prevent that happening.
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Uuhhh....hello? If you stay in you cannot prevent anything from happening due to the vastly undemocratic nature of the EU. Thats the whole point.....
Original post by Unitailed
and then we would get to pay the same?

by the way the chance of being as rich as Norway is pretty fanciful, as they set up their oil fund in the 70s and since then we've spent all that money, and peak oil has passed.


You may have noticed that the OP was about the actual reason for this referendum, not the bribes and promises on offer. This referendum is about the fact that you will be governed from Brussels. Yes, I think being as rich as Norway is unlikely so if we were a member of the EEA we would never have to pay as much as they do.
Original post by ckfeister
"

Populism is a political position which holds that the virtuous citizens are being mistreated by a small circle of elites, who can be overthrown if the people recognize the danger and work together. The elites are depicted as trampling in illegitimate fashion upon the rights, values, and voice of the legitimate people.[1]
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I assume your a far-right winger


Why would you assume such a thing? Are you really that juvenile?

And yes, that's populism. But the fact that such a law was allowed to pass suggests that they could willingly expand that.
What would your reaction be if they removed the word populism? Would me bringing that up as something to cautious of still be the mark of a "far right winger"?


How about you stop being petulant and raise the level of debate, rather than acting like a child?
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Original post by Unitailed
I agree, this is the work of a troll.


Hide from the truth if you want but it is much better to be aware of what you are doing if you vote Remain.
Original post by Drewski
Why would you assume such a thing? Are you really that juvenile?

And yes, that's populism. But the fact that such a law was allowed to pass suggests that they could willingly expand that.
What would your reaction be if they removed the word populism? Would me bringing that up as something to cautious of still be the mark of a "far right winger"?


How about you stop being petulant and raise the level of debate, rather than acting like a child?


How is this acting like a child? Populism is terrible, because the top award and bottom get nothing, how is that democracy anyway? Isn't that dictatorship? This is why I don't vote leave, your all illogical and way Britain to have a superior deal.
Original post by Elivercury
Yeah, I'm done feeding him. And people wonder why the leave campaign struggles to get taken seriously/issues surrounding the inevitable united nations or Europe get overlooked.


Yes, the truth hurts but its better to understand that Remain is morally no better than Leave and focus on the subject of the OP, which is the inevitable loss of UK self government if we vote Remain. Although it does seem from your reference to "the inevitable united nations [of] Europe" that you were fully aware of the main issue all along and just obfuscating.
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Original post by ckfeister
How is this acting like a child? Populism is terrible, because the top award and bottom get nothing, how is that democracy anyway? Isn't that dictatorship? This is why I don't vote leave, your all illogical and way Britain to have a superior deal.


How about you answer the question?

What would you do if they removed the word populist?

And what makes you say I'm voting leave?

You don't know me. You don't know where I'm voting. You don't know my motivations. Don't put words in my mouth, don't make presumptions. Don't act like a child who isn't getting their own way.

Answer the question like a rational human being.
Original post by Drewski
How about you answer the question?

What would you do if they removed the word populist?

And what makes you say I'm voting leave?

You don't know me. You don't know where I'm voting. You don't know my motivations. Don't put words in my mouth, don't make presumptions. Don't act like a child who isn't getting their own way.

Answer the question like a rational human being.


You didn't say it as a question, you said it as a rhetorical question. I get it now, oi don't get aggressive I could easily hit back but I would be a brexiter if they removed right-wing.

Also, how am I acting like a child? Please explain.
Original post by ckfeister
You didn't say it as a question, you said it as a rhetorical question.


No, I didn't. It was a question.

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