If you don't leave the EU you're weak

Foreign oligarchs are buying up our housing. At present, more than 130 of the 214 apartments sold in the 50-storey St George Wharf Tower (the tallest residential building in the UK) in Vauxhall are believed to be owned by overseas investors. This drives the prices up for young people. Do you want to be living with your parents till you are 50 years old?

Source: http://moneyweek.com/st-george-wharf-londons-empty-tower/

What annoys me about the EU referendum is that the people who are voting leave are forgetting the main reason the European Union was created. It was created as a method to stop European wars that were leading to world wars. My main source as to why being in the EU is much better is because Britain has not been in a world war or a European war since being a member. If we leave the EU we undermine this purpose. Britain is becoming more nationalistic which was a cause for world war 1 and 2. Leaving the European union seems like a solution because we will have control of our budget but this is short term. Our budget will dramatically decrease without the single market and excellent trade which the European union allows.

I watched question time the other day and Boris Johnson made a statement that leaving the EU will make lower income households richer. SO WHY DOES HE WANT TO LEAVE. It makes no sense. He is simply lying to the public( which is a trend in conservative politics) providing us with things we want to hear. We need to gather our own sources. You are correct. Your stat is relevant but it has been strategically picked by the leave campaign to highlight a reason to leave. In reality to leave is good in a very short term but in the longer term it will be disastrous. We will isolate ourselves against a developing power that we could have been part of. We could even cause other nations to leave the EU by undermining it if we leave and this could easily cause another European war or world war. (just look at Russia's behavior at the euro cup, not a member and are attacking other nations on a wide scale most likely due to national pride.) That is the main reason I want to remain as it is historically proven so far that the EU has minimized the number of European wars.

What? A Brexit doesn't mean to cut off migration altogether.
It simply means the UK can control immigration; filter the people who can come in or who are allowed in, it means the allowance of greater background checks usw. usf. It simply means we're not obligated to allow EU citizens through in most circumstances.

It does but you're only concentrating on the demand side. There's a supply side you're completely ignoring because it doesn't fit in neatly with your story. It's possible that if no new housing or very few new housing is built that 20somethings must live with their parents until they're 50 because of a shortage of housing.

But high prices in properties attract investors (high prices everywhere attract investors). You would be mad not to want to invest in the property market if demand for housing is insanely high and supply so low as you seem to be suggesting.

Investors would, in your scenario, flock to the property market to satisfy demand. If they don't and that was my point before, then it must be because there's something wrong in the property market or the economy in general (uncertainty because of a recession or absurdly strict zoning/building regulations or w/e), not because there are too many Bulgarians renting 2 bedroom flats in East London (nor because billionaires are buying stupidly overpriced properties in London and boosting the UK economy).

Technically, it is both of the above reasons. Good luck buying your own home, love.

minimised the number of wars? What about the iraq war or the war in afghanistan. If we leave, we will still be a member of nato.

or this can be achieved by reforms within the EU......leaving isn't necessary.

what the heck are you talking about???? I said 'european wars' . If there was a world alternative of the eu i doubt there would've have been the iraq war and afghanistan war!

Since you asked:

Again, that's just the demand side - Bulgarians and foreign oligarchs. And it doesn't even tell half of the story. But I see there's no point in debating.

Thanks for emphasising my point.......not one 'BRITISH WAR' in Europe!

The Troubles
Suez Crisis
Kosovo War

All European wars - and the UK was involved.

or this can be achieved by reforms within the EU......leaving isn't necessary.

Typical British people making an informed decision based on rational thought and evidence-based decision making.

Leaving the EU would be a mistake as it's a gamble.Some gambles are worth taking but this is definitely not worth it as your not just gambling your own life but our future generations too.

I have heard some extremely intelligent economists talking about Brexit. I am not an economist so the next best thing is for me to listen to the expert consensus, and that is overwhelmingly in favour of supporting remaining in the EU. They are not idiots, I have faith that they've got a good reason to support what they're saying. Certainly a more credible basis than whatever the Brexit campaign decides they're going to say at a particular moment, which isn't supported by any experts.

They've got a very good reason to support staying; self-interest. I mean, they're economists! By definition their job is made a lot easier if we stay. Uncertainty is the bane of any economist's life, cause it has a nasty habit of making them look stupid. Classic example would be our joining the euro. Whether we joined or retained sterling as our currency would have huge ramifications economically, to the point where it becomes virtually impossible to predict with any accuracy what would happen. Which had the side effect of making all the economists who said we'd be screwed if we didn't join (which was the overwhelming majority) look rather daft. And this referendum is rather the same. No one can claim to predict with any great accuracy, how things will unfold if we leave. It's too great a change; and with absolutely no precedent to base it off, you simply can't make accurate predictions.

I think it's summed up quite neatly by this quote from Evan Esar

"An economist is an expert who will know tomorrow why the things he predicted yesterday, didn't happen today".

Again, conveniently you've built up a story which allows you to ignore every expert's opinion. How come an economist's view is suddenly valid and acceptable when they support your agenda?

Typical British people too scared to stand up for themselves and let their voices be heard, its time to change, its time to leave.