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Specific ideologies, yes. Not the entire collection of ideologies held by every muslim- that is racism because it is non-specific, and directed towards anyone who identifies by that label.

By saying 'Islam is wrong' or anything of that description, we are just skirting around the issue. Violence, attacks etc. are the issue. Hatred is the issue. The vast majority of muslims are not violent or hateful people - so by attacking their identity unjustly, there is racism.

We should be saying 'I disagree with your views' not 'I disagree with your identity'.

Many Christians have committed hateful crimes, and hold views against homosexuality, or for the suppression of women. Why do we not speak this way about them?

Specific ideologies, yes. Not the entire collection of ideologies held by every muslim- that is racism because it is non-specific, and directed towards anyone who identifies by that label.

By saying 'Islam is wrong' or anything of that description, we are just skirting around the issue. Violence, attacks etc. are the issue. Hatred is the issue. The vast majority of muslims are not violent or hateful people - so by attacking their identity unjustly, there is racism.

We should be saying 'I disagree with your views' not 'I disagree with your identity'.

Many Christians have committed hateful crimes, and hold views against homosexuality, or for the suppression of women. Why do we not speak this way about them?

Specific ideologies, yes. Not the entire collection of ideologies held by every muslim- that is racism because it is non-specific, and directed towards anyone who identifies by that label.

By saying 'Islam is wrong' or anything of that description, we are just skirting around the issue. Violence, attacks etc. are the issue. Hatred is the issue. The vast majority of muslims are not violent or hateful people - so by attacking their identity unjustly, there is racism.

We should be saying 'I disagree with your views' not 'I disagree with your identity'.

Many Christians have committed hateful crimes, and hold views against homosexuality, or for the suppression of women. Why do we not speak this way about them?

That is a ridiculous argument spouted by liberals who don't seem to understand that its not about the religion of the person who commits the crime, its about motivation.

People of all religions commit crimes, these days, most people who commit crimes in the name of their religion are Muslims, thus your point is not valid.

Its not really hard to understand,

Where the hell are you getting this rubbish ideas from?

It is specific though because when I say "All Muslims hold immoral beliefs" I have a specific definition of Muslims in mind when I say that. Hence it is very specific. The problem is of course that not everyone will define Muslims just like me, hence there will be some Muslims who are not immoral because they call themselves Muslim even though I don't think they are.

That is a ridiculous argument spouted by liberals who don't seem to understand that its not about the religion of the person who commits the crime, its about motivation.

People of all religions commit crimes, these days, most people who commit crimes in the name of their religion are Muslims, thus your point is not valid.

You shouldn't have left the Kitchen.

How is it rubbish?

that's why racism is bad. Because you are making assumptions on someone and from that reacting in way that you would not if you actually knew the truth about them.

If you actually know the truth and act based on that truth then there is no issue, in and of that itself of course...

So you are not talking about people who define themselves as muslim, you're talking about people that you define as muslim?

So you're saying that every white man that sees a southern asia man walking down the road, even the ones wearing their traditional religious garments like Sikh's and Hindus do, they are assumed to be muslim because white men are inherently racist?

That's exactly what I didn't say lol. seriously, did I say any of that? Maybe there were some typos but that's definitely not what I was meant to say. None of that...

So what then is your point?

How can you be racist for criticising an ideology?


Would you call people who criticise Mormonism or Scientology racist?

My point is that you CANNOT be racist for criticising an ideology.

LOL, so why am I even arguing with you?

Obviously. That's how everyone speaks ma'am if you have not noticed that yet

When I say "apples are digusting" I actually mean "I think apples are disgusting" or "apples taste disgusting to me" but I don't say that because normally people would know what I mean. I don't mean "you are wrong if you do not think apples are disgusting because apples are objectively disgusting"...

It's funny how many of the fundamental things of language are no longer obvious to people because of lazy we have got in how we speak in the modern world.

I have no idea dude. That's why I was like wtf with your response earlier...

Lol.

It's these liberals men.


They make my head hurt with their utter STUPIDITY.

So you are not talking about people who define themselves as muslim, you're talking about people that you define as muslim?



Exactly, it's the motivation, not the religion. You have literally just stated my point.

I did not argue with that. I am saying that you cannot class all people as the same; that's really not hard to understand either. Promoting positive youth groups among Islam etc can be a positive way of tackling these issues, for example, rather than further rejecting the community.



I'll keep that in mind sir

Seems more like saying 'apples are disgusting' when you really mean 'these red apples are disgusting, and they represent all apples, because I don't consider green apples to be apples, even if they think that they are apples'

Sorry, yes, let's exclude a religion and squash it out - because THAT isn't stupid p.s. hate the argument, not the people - oh wait, that was my whole point