Owen Jones embarrasses himself on Sky News debate about Orlando

The shooter attacked 50 people for their sexuality: something that you're born with, something you can't change.

Liking music or being linked to public transport is not the same thing. No one gets oppressed for liking music. This was a homophobic attack.

He said he was doing it in the name of ISIS, but since it has emerged that he might himself have been gay, it's most likely that this was a product of his self-hate as a homosexual man.

Why do you want it to be fuelled by ISIS so badly?

All this speculation that he was a repressed homosexual is just that: speculation. You are basing it on hearsay. What we do know, and has been confirmed by the authorities, is that he pledged allegiance to ISIS and had links to known Islamic extremists. This was an ISIS-inspired terrorist attacked, plain and simple.

Why are you so determined it wasn't?

His actions before and leading up to it shows he was a supporter.

Just because someone is gay doesn't mean they're not homophobic, the self-hating Jew is a famous stereotype but it's present in any marginalised group. He may have been gay but that doesn't mean he can't have opposed homosexuality and agreed with what IS stand for.


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If I attack a black church by myself and say it's in the name of the BNP, it doesn't mean the the BNP did it.

There is no evidence here that the attack was planned, organised or coordinated by IS. If anything it was a disturbed lone wolf inspired by Isis.

What's your point?
The attack was specifically targeted against gay people due to a hatred of homosexuality. To claim it's not solely a homophobic attack is nonsense.

It was a homophobic attack, pure and simple.

An attack with ties to a terrorist organisation wanting to destroy the west, isn't an attack against the west just against certain people.

It didn't have ties to Isis really. If one was to go and bomb a shopping centre and claim it was on the name of the IRA with no previous links, the IRA would not be responsible.

This was an attack by a homophobe specifically on gay people because he was homophobic. It wasn't aimed at the west henerally, it was aimed at homosexuals.

He may have chosen the target based on religiously-inspired homophobia, just as the Paris attackers may have chosen their target based on the "sinfulness" of going to concerts and listening to music. Nonetheless, both the Paris and Orlando attacks were inspired by an overarching Islamic extremism and a political affiliation with ISIS.

So, the correct description is that it was based on Islamist homophobia, the type ISIS is well known for promoting.

Anyone who watches press preview knows he's a bell of the highest order anyway. Maybe he should concentrate on why the shooter, who was also a member of the LGBTQTUDKSBFLWI community felt ostracised himself.


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Ok he has absolutely no links to Islamic terrorism you know better than what has been said.

It was a homophobic individual who hated gay people, killing a load of gay people because he hated them.

No matter what spin you try and put on this, it was a homophobic attack, pure and simple.

What are these links? Go on tell me. Saying you 'support them' is not a link. Show me the evidence that this attack was planned or organised by IS.

And how was that homophobia inspired and where did it come from, and I mean that very specific type of homophobia which has nothing to do with protesting gay marriage but actively believing you should go out and kill as many gays as possible? Was it Trump? Kim Davis? Or more likely the type of homophobia encouraged by Islamic extremists - demanding that gays are killed for being sinners, and which the terrorist expressly affiliated himself with?

I am really not sure why you are trying to wilfully ignore the obvious Islamist element here. I am not even one of those saying "omg it's all Islam's fault!". I am recognising that it is the particular, ISIS inspired Islamist homophobia which encourages this sort of horrible behaviour.

He had self radicalised online, he had been heard saying how he wanted to martyr himself in a confrontation with the law by coworkers, he has ties to an American who traveled to Syria and became a suicide bomber, there is also the fact that a leader in Isis called for supporters to do something like this so to ignore that Isis was the part of the motivation is ignoring part of the problem.