3 Relocated Refugees Sexually Assault a 14-Year-Old Girl in a Park in Newcastle

Racist fool.

Actually, no it isn't. Rape is a far bigger problem in countries outside of the Middle East (including in the West) than inside of the Middle East: http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rape-rate

Something wrong with Christian values, perhaps...?

They don't invade and occupy by choice? Or is it because they can't? Saddam Hussein had a very good go at occupying Kuwait did he not? Your telling me you think if Muslim countries had the power to occupy Israel and Europe they wouldn't?

Also you say Muslim countries, I didn't mention them once in my post so it's interesting you mention them? But while we are on the subject you mention Britain doesn't have a culture? I think it does, and it is one of the best on the planet when it comes to equality and freedoms. A prime example of a culture clash would be when a new worker at my job refused to shake the hands of my boss because she is female, to me that is discrimination by definition, and a huge mark of disrespect, but nothing was said because it's his religion!? Additionally my sister works at a builders merchant near burnley, the majority of Muslim men who come into the shop flat out refuse to be served by her despite her being a manager.

This is what I'm referring to when I say culture clash, and yes your right there are different interpretations of British culture, but if my definition means I won't shake a woman's hand I'm branded a misogynist, but if a Muslim does this it's okay?

If I go to Saudi Arabia with a woman and she wears a dress in public, or isn't accompanied by me she won't be let off because she's British,but we allow them to keep there culture, which is fine, unless it goes directly against the equality and freedoms that make our culture one of the best.

As I said some of the hardest workers and nicest people I've met have been migrants (including Muslims) but bringing in large quantities when there aren't the facilities to accommodate them leads to segregation not integration which is the problem.

I'm all for migration, when we can accommodate it and also when it's done methodically for the improvement of our country, which is a point that is hard to disagree with no?

Also your last point about our responsibility, I along with a large majority of people disagreed with the occupation in Iraq and Afghanistan, it was our government, not our culture that occupied. Lumping British culture in with the military generals who carry out drone strikes and occupy countries is like comparing all Muslim countries with Isis, how much say did the people have to prevent the occupation of Iraq? Zero, so no I don't think British people as a whole owes anything to other countries. (Just a disclaimer I fully support our troops, our military is filled with men and woman who basically said to our government here is my life, use it to protect our people, unfortunately politicians priorities are ****ed up, but that doesn't take anything away from our armed forces as individual people)

Things like this make me adverse to immigration from Muslim countries, as there does seem to be a lot of Asian rapists/child exploiters. Just because it's acceptable in their culture doesn't mean that it is in British culture, give them a one way ticket home.

And we let scum like that in??

I think it's more apparant in Middle Eastern/Asian countries, as opposed to say African etc countries. There's a culture of rape being perpetrated towards (often white) young girls in the UK, partly because of sexual repression and objectification



See above.



I thought masturbation was a sin under Islam?



Can't you stop defending Islam as a whole, you're not representative of your whole religion, no individual or group of persons are. People are quick to defend the honour of their religion on the basis of the actions of a couple of idiots and I don't know why.



The welfare state, ironically, is what makes Britain so appealing to immigrants. And you're ****ging it off? If only your own country had a similar infrastructure where the vulnerable people had some sort of financial safety net instead of living in poverty and destitution. Which is rampant in the 3rd World, precisely because you have a poor socio-political system and don't and will never have a welfare state, so if I were you I'd stop calling it.



I don't know the UK employment figure of the top of my head but (despite the recession) the majority of British people are in employment, education or training, despite the influx of migrants and asylum seekers and refugees. This country has a superb work ethic, many industries have been born and maintained here.




You may not, but some foreigners have a pathological hatred of the British when really they should be kissing thier asses.





See above.

If you don't like it **** off, beggars can't be choosers

I'm not interested in what Muslim countries would do in a hypothetical, abstract world in which they have the same power as Western countries, and nor should you be. Our primary responsibility as human beings is for the crimes that we are directly involved in in this reality, not in some hypothetical situation. In this reality, it was us who invaded and destroyed Iraq, and therefore we should take responsibility for that.



You don't directly mention Muslim countries, but you do say that our society "is decades ahead of any of the countries where these refugees are coming from"; many of those countries where refugees are coming from are Muslim countries, so it just seemed like an obvious point. Secondly, I didn't say that Britain doesn't have culture, just that its culture is indefinable, because it is a blend of many different cultures. You detail some anecdotal evidence about Muslims refusing to shake hands with women and not treating women as equals, and I could relate to you a lot of anecdotal evidence from women in this country who've been wolf-whistled and harassed while walking down the street by native Brits. Patriarchal oppression takes many forms.



No, when a Muslim does it it's not okay. But honestly, is this a huge problem? It takes time for people to integrate - I assume you're referring to first-generation migrants. The next few generations should be perfectly settled in.



The same thing was said a few decades back in this country, just as it's said every few decades when a new wave of immigrants comes in, this idea of us needing to shield our culture otherwise it'll be destroyed and stop being one of the best. At the end of the day, British culture has been strengthened and diversified throughout the centuries by newcomers, and that isn't going to stop now. The first generations are always the hardest to assimilate, but that'll come with time.



If there are the facilities to accommodate weapons manufacturing and a 700-room palace, I'm sure we could find room for some immigrants, just as we could find room for all of the homeless and destitute in this country if we really tried.



Yes it is hard to disagree with this because I completely agree. And we can accommodate it, and it is being done methodically for the improvement of our country.



I fundamentally disagree with this, apart from your last point about not blaming the military for government policy. We as the British people are totally responsible for the occupation of Iraq, just as we're totally responsible for the crimes of our government right now. We live in a democratic society, meaning we have the freedom to influence policy. And no, I don't mean by voting, which has become near-meaningless in recent years; I mean by organising ourselves into coordinated, worker-controlled collectives that work outside of official channels in order to force the government's hand. This kind of thing is relatively easy to do once citizens overcome the systems of domination and control which exist in society. A good example was during the Vietnam War, when ordinary Americans recognised their collective responsibility for the slaughter in Indochina and prevented civil society from functioning, thus forcing the government to take notice and ultimately forcing them to withdraw. Ordinary citizens have so much power, especially in democratic societies. In totalitarian countries such as Saudi Arabia (which we prop up, incidentally), the same argument couldn't be made; ordinary Saudi citizens have much less responsibility for the crimes of their leaders, A because they don't elect them and B because they don't have the option of taking to the streets in protest without being gunned down. We have the luxury of actually having a say in policy, and therefore our responsibility is much greater. Simply by allowing civil society to function we are complicit in our government's crimes, and that includes current crimes in Syria, Iraq and elsewhere, and therefore we as a society have an enormous responsibility for the refugees in Europe, who are for the most part fleeing our crimes.

Okay firstly I would like to point out how it is refreshing to have conversation of this type online without immediately being accused of being bigoted or racist simply because I am anti (this current form of immigration) so thanks for that.

Firstly your point regarding anecdotal evidence, While obviously we are not perfect (wolf whistling/harassment) there is a huge difference in a man, point blank refusing to deal with/communicate with a person simply due to gender. As I said above pointing out our flaws doesn't make there flaws disappear, or make them equal because as you even said woman's rights in our country is decades ahead of pretty much any middle eastern nation.

Also when you say 'is this a huge problem', I believe this would not usually be a huge problem your right, but. As has been highlighted in extreme fashion by the handling of child grooming cases that have come to light recently. Our society and government do not react appropriately to such examples of a lack of integration. As you said it is equally wrong for a Muslim man to perform sexists acts on woman or homosexuals, but over the years our culture seems to have adopted an apologist attitude whereby they allow this to happen without persecution simply because they fear being branded racist or because they believe because they're a minority it is somehow acceptable.

How will the subsequent generations of migrants ever integrate if they aren't taught the way they're acting (some of them) does not belong in our culture, so yeah your correct they would otherwise eventually integrate, but due to the current methods of migration this can never happen.

Current migration is being done in high levels, and all in the same location, this means migrants usually only have to communicate with people from there own culture which prevents integration. This is my biggest problem with immigration, in the past it has bolstered economies, provided a fresh work force for booming industries and brought new ideas/culinary experiences to our country. But our current method of immigration is not producing this at all, because we are allowing them to keep there backwards thinking when it comes to equality for fear of being branded a bigot, and we are preventing integration because they don't actually have to integrate with our culture.

Oh and the part regarding foreign policy and the responsibility of us as citizens, I agree that we do have more power than middle eastern countries to dictate policies that involve occupying foreign nations, but having more power doesn't mean we are fundamentally responsible. Yes we could protest and yes we live in a democracy (for the most part) but how many times have citizens protests actually prevented a war? We do have more power but saying we are 'totally responsible' is a bit much. The Vietnam war ended partially due to protests but it was also because it was a resource drain and they weren't even winning. It was a collection of variables not simply the protests from citizens, if they were winning I very much doubt the government would have cared about protests.

I think our country seems more pliable by public opinion, but if it came down to it we would probably almost no power to prevent our government going to war.

But at this point I'm descending into opinions based on very little evidence so discussion can only go so far before becoming endless and pointless back and forth's, my main point was regarding immigration though.

because dats racist and we need to save these poor people.

Where tf are you guys getting this idea that it is acceptable in other countries? I don't know a single country where it is acceptable to rape anyone let alone children. It happens a lot because the governments are corrupted and as long as you show a couple of rupees then you are past the system.