Muslim group urges members to break fast and donate blood after Orlando shootings

They believe in a Prophet after Muhammad (PBUH); they claim he is the Messiah but still he claimed to receive revelations (which would make him a Prophet/Messenger). In reality, it's founder was a deviant who died whilst whilst taking a scat.

As others have said, generally the Ahmadiyyah are outside of the fold of Islam, and this is consensus amongst both Shia and Sunni scholars; it is up to any Ahmadi individual to prove that they are Muslim.

I grew up by the largest Ahmadi community in the country. Their mosque was the one that got burned down last year. They were an absolute credit and a huge benefit to the wider community as they were constantly involved with charity work both with and for all sorts of other religious groups. They sell poppies in November, do rubbish collections in parks and clean ice and snow from drives for free. They integrated perfectly. The banner at the mosque read "love for all, hatred for none." Quite frankly the Sunnis could learn a lot from them but I won't hold my breath on that.



Indeed. The scum bag imam from the Islamic Centre over in Tooting (a neighbouring borough) used to constantly put fatwas on the entire Ahmadi community! Before it got burned down, they had to heighten security at their centre because of all the death threads they were getting from Sunnis. Many figures from the TIC were involved in a long-standing hate campaign against the Ahmadis, including the distribution of malicious leaflets. Attendees at this place were encouraged to boycott Ahmadi businesses. The police even had to step in at one point in the hate campaign. A Tory MP candidate was once locked in a room at the TIC for his own safety after people mistook him for the Lib Dem canidate who is an Ahmadi. Unfortunately Tooting MP Sadique Khan did nothing about the hate campaign and could barely bring himself to condemn those responsible when a local newspaper interviewed him about it. In fact he tried to deny there was such a campaign by those at the TIC because the animals agreed to withdraw the leaflets when pressured to do so. Gee, great! Though he did acknowledge there is a big problem generally in this country with regards to harassing of Ahmadis and compared the abuse they get from mainstream Muslims to the abuse black people used to get in Britain back in the day.

Over in Kingston leaflets were given out calling for the murder of Ahmadis. Ahmadi mosques in Crawley and Newham were vandalised. Islamist satellite TV channels are also bad for this stuff. Ummah Channel for example had to be pulled up by Ofcom for featuring preachers who were calling for Ahmadis to be killed and who praised the attacks on Ahmadi mosques in Pakistan.

I remember when the Morden mosque burned down. The statement from the Muslim Council of Britain was basically "don't call them Muslims". They just had their mosque burned down and that's what they come out with! And then there's the reactions from TSR Isoc members. The majority reaction was the same as the MCB's. Not expressing dismay at the travesty of what happened or sympathy for the community but just *****ing about people calling them Muslims.

Classy people, right?



As does the Muslim Council of Britain, who were involved in protesting the biilding of the Morden mosque in the first place. By the way I remember one Isoc member trying to justify support for a notion to ban them!

It's just occurred to me actually that the reaction I described above was the same when that Ahmadi Glaswegian shop keeper was murdered.

The Ahmadi community is a treasure and we ought to treat them as such and take more action to protect them from the abuse they get. It's a pity Salafi filth are accepted by mainstream Muslims and Ahmadis not. I hate to say it but that's not a good sign...........

Hmm interesting, to my knowledge, they don't believe in another Prophet, rather believe that a messiah has/did arrive?

I'm not sure I'm going to buy the notion that they believe in another prophet after the Holy Prophet. In fact, if I recall correctly, did not some of their scholars write a book named something like: "Love to Muhammad, who was Khatimun Nabbiyin (final messenger)"?

No-one has to prove if they're Muslim, this is frankly absurd. I can't see why people simply cannot focus on themselves and stop judging others as per their faith, not to mention causing more disunity than there already is.

This is also one of the dangers of blindly following scholars.

AFAIK mirza claimed to be part of the prophet muhammad pbuh though I think many claim he was a seperate prophet too. So I'm not too sure. Though it seems to be heading towards disbelief nontheless from the majority perspective. But I couldn't make such a statement to claim the entire sect is not Muslim if they claim to be.

Hmm interesting, to my knowledge, they don't believe in another Prophet, rather believe that a messiah has/did arrive?

I'm not sure I'm going to buy the notion that they believe in another prophet after the Holy Prophet. In fact, if I recall correctly, did not some of their scholars write a book named something like: "Love to Muhammad, who was Khatimun Nabbiyin (final messenger)"?

No-one has to prove if they're Muslim, this is frankly absurd. I can't see why people simply cannot focus on themselves and stop judging others as per their faith, not to mention causing more disunity than there already is.

This is also one of the dangers of blindly following scholars.

Although I could be mistaken, I believe there's a misunderstanding here and this is a direct result of blindly obeying to what scholars say, for this isn't the first time I have encountered a scenario like this.

I think it's more like he was a messiah rather than a prophet, I believe I quoted a book about this before.

Although I could be mistaken, I believe there's a misunderstanding here and this is a direct result of blindly obeying to what scholars say, for this isn't the first time I have encountered a scenario like this.

I think it's more like he was a messiah rather than a prophet, I believe I quoted a book about this before.

But those people are quite entitled to set up their own club to carry out the same activity, and should not face calls for their death from the rival club.

Pick your own analogy from the world of sport, for example.

The beliefs of some of the ISOC members are quite frankly disgusting. I remember with that thread about that Ahamadi in Glasgow being killed and literally some of them just said that he wasn't a real Muslim and they had every right to judge him because Ahmadi beliefs go out of the fold of Islam.

We sympathise with those who are killed unjustly; there is nothing wrong in identifying a person as outside of a community, and it does not diminish our sympathy just because we say that he is not one of us. It reminds of how the funeral provession of a Jew went past the Prophet and he stood up, and his companions questioned why he stood for the Jew when the Jews rejected him and hated him, and he responded by saying along the lines of "Was he not a child of Adam (humanbeing) too?". Similarly the Ahmadi are not of the Muslims, just like the Jews are different to us, but they are human beings.

Surely having the ignorant views that Ahmadis aren't real Muslims create even more ignorance which leads to even more trouble for them because everyone thinks its ok to hurt them?

That's beside the point - making their own club is still a seperate club, not an extension of the initial club.

They are a different club, but they're still playing the same sport.

We sympathise with those who are killed unjustly;

And there we have it again.
The pretence at condemnation, but using weasel words to allow condoning the killing of those who you think deserve it.

Why can't you just say "We absolutely, unequivocally and unreservedly condemn the killing of anybody on the basis of religious belief, whatever the apparent justification".

It really isn't that hard. Just C&P the sentence above, if you like.

http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/index.ssf/2016/06/muslim_group_to_hold_prayer_se.html

A Metro Detroit Muslim group plans to hold a prayer service Tuesday night for the victims in the Sunday mass shooting in Orlando that left 50 people dead and over 50 people injured.

The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community Center in Rochester Hills will host the service, and is encouraging its members to break fast in order to donate blood for those in need.
Many Muslims abstain from eating or drinking during daylight hours through the Islamic month of Ramadan, which began Sunday.

I was genuinely taken aback by this. Now I wish that there was a God in heaven, who could bless these people abundantly! Such selfless charity is very rare in this day and age

Also, if you're one of those people who say "They aren't true Muslims" to try and discredit their actions, you are a fool. Neither is it the point of the main article, nor does anyone care.

good idea but why not just donate blood when your not fasting.