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He sounds like one of those racist facebook uncles that all of a sudden got a PhD in Hinduism whilst afflicting his unwarranted (and frankly outrageously incorrect) facts and opinions on the world.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Omg dare you to post that on his thread!

Actually Hindu scriptures do not explicitly ban people from using images and finite objects, but what they do say is that they become worthless to the Self-realised individual.
For those who have not yet achieved Self-realisation, images and objects act as a mere support which can then be rejected as a person evolves spiritually. The scriptures say "Material worship is the lowest stage; mental prayer is the next stage, but the highest stage is when the Lord has been realised."

As someone who used to use images for worship (but who does not any more), let me tell you that Hindus do not say "Oh piece of marble, I love you! You have infinite powers so please help me overcome my issues!"

Images and objects act merely as tools and/or as a focal points for the Hindu to worship the Absolute or remind them of It.

As we are finite beings with finite minds, the majority of us cannot think of the Infinite without using something finite, be it a symbol, book, object, image or whatever.

Think about it. In a maths or physics lesson, if I asked you to put infinity of the board, you would put this: ∞
But that is not infinity, is it? It's just the number 8 that had too much to drink last night and has fallen over!

See what you have done? You've used a mere finite symbol to represent the infinite. And without this symbol you cannot even conceptualise infinity. So much of your calculus, geometric progressions, summations etc. would not be possible without this mere finite symbol.

You might be interested to read this incident between Swami Vivekananda and the Maharaja of Alwar in 1891 [it's in the spoiler]

If you point out that the Hindu usage of images is bad, I would present to you something even worse - idolatry of the book (by this I am not referring at all to the elevated status you give to the SGGS).

By idolatry of the book, I mean when you say "it is written in my book, it is the word of God and therefore it is fixed, you cannot question it. Everything, be it religion, philosophy, science etc has to conform to the book" as certain other religions do, it means that you are stopped from thinking for yourself!

A Hindu can still think for himself/herself and discard those images when they have no need of them, but the tyranny of the book is far worse because it kills someone's ability to think for themselves.

It is true that aspects of Hinduism have been corrupted - it has a natural tendency to get so, but it also has the ability to be reformed many times (by non-Brahmins in perhaps far greater measure than Brahmins), it is being reformed and will continue to do so.



And yes, Sikhism, Buddhism and Jainism should be recognised as separate religions in India's constitution.
However, I disagree with personal laws in India being different according to religious community (i.e.: separate laws for Hindus, separate ones for Muslims or Sikhs, or Christians etc.).
There should be a Uniform Civil Code i.e.: one set of secular laws which are applicable to everybody regardless of religious community (like there is here or in the USA).

OK, I've read it all with an open mind although non of it is a revelation to me, as I said the trouble causing RSS etc have placed blinkers on me, I should not let this influence my perception of Hinduism.

I'm sure the Lord prioritises between those who commit heinous acts and those who sit and worship a stone.

Too many denominations of Hinduism. Agoris, smearing ashes upon the body of the dead, Shivites and so on. Is this all accepted by God you think?

Sikhi frowns upon such idiotic pointless rituals. They achieve nothing.
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Can someone explain what shivling is and the purpose?

you know the black stone that people pour milk over in the Mandir, that is a Shivling. It is considered as a mark of god.

Am i correct @nucdev

Why pour milk?
Why is it shaped the way it is?
What's does it signifying?

Yep I remember this story,
I particularly enjoyed swamiji's speech at Chicago at the congress of world religions.

It is a shame when our sikh brothers begin hating us, its the first time I have ever heard or seen something like this. Even the khalistan movement's leaders simply wanted a Sikh majority country, they recognised that most of their ancestors were Hindu, and beginning to target the Hindus (as a religion) would be against both their heritage, and the teachings of their Gurus. After all, they did give up their lives to protect the Hindus and Sikhs against Muslim rule.

milk is seen as pure
???
???

Tried google
It's all so confusing

Alright thanks!

Does anyone else want to take this? Like please?!

I am all for an unbiased and diplomatic debate on religion and faith, but if people wish to talk with an air of superiority it ticks me off as though they are being hypocrites who fail to follow the tenets of their own faith, but yet want to lecture us on ours.

What about anal?
If yes then I'd be fine as need a hole to bang other than the mouth. Or if it was an open relationship, I'd love her but bang many many others.

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Just feels so.much better without.

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You can say that again. Even though Sikhism talks about controlling desires and is against pre-marital sex, take a look at his posts:




(talking about sex with condoms)

Did you have to resort to personal attacks?

Actually Hindu scriptures do not explicitly ban people from using images and finite objects, but what they do say is that they become worthless to the Self-realised individual.
For those who have not yet achieved Self-realisation, images and objects act as a mere support which can then be rejected as a person evolves spiritually. The scriptures say "Material worship is the lowest stage; mental prayer is the next stage, but the highest stage is when the Lord has been realised."

As someone who used to use images for worship (but who does not any more), let me tell you that Hindus do not say "Oh piece of marble, I love you! You have infinite powers so please help me overcome my issues!"

Images and objects act merely as tools and/or as a focal points for the Hindu to worship the Absolute or remind them of It.

As we are finite beings with finite minds, the majority of us cannot think of the Infinite without using something finite, be it a symbol, book, object, image or whatever.

Think about it. In a maths or physics lesson, if I asked you to put infinity of the board, you would put this: ∞
But that is not infinity, is it? It's just the number 8 that had too much to drink last night and has fallen over!

See what you have done? You've used a mere finite symbol to represent the infinite. And without this symbol you cannot even conceptualise infinity. So much of your calculus, geometric progressions, summations etc. would not be possible without this mere finite symbol.

You might be interested to read this incident between Swami Vivekananda and the Maharaja of Alwar in 1891 [it's in the spoiler]

If you point out that the Hindu usage of images is bad, I would present to you something even worse - idolatry of the book (by this I am not referring at all to the elevated status you give to the SGGS).

By idolatry of the book, I mean when you say "it is written in my book, it is the word of God and therefore it is fixed, you cannot question it. Everything, be it religion, philosophy, science etc has to conform to the book" as certain other religions do, it means that you are stopped from thinking for yourself!

A Hindu can still think for himself/herself and discard those images when they have no need of them, but the tyranny of the book is far worse because it kills someone's ability to think for themselves.

It is true that aspects of Hinduism have been corrupted - it has a natural tendency to get so, but it also has the ability to be reformed many times (by non-Brahmins in perhaps far greater measure than Brahmins), it is being reformed and will continue to do so.



And yes, Sikhism, Buddhism and Jainism should be recognised as separate religions in India's constitution.
However, I disagree with personal laws in India being different according to religious community (i.e.: separate laws for Hindus, separate ones for Muslims or Sikhs, or Christians etc.).
There should be a Uniform Civil Code i.e.: one set of secular laws which are applicable to everybody regardless of religious community (like there is here or in the USA).

It's the phallus of Shiva. I'll say no more on it.

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You're seriously crossing the line here!

DON'T BELIEVE IN IDOL WORSHIP IF YOU WON'T, BUT IF YOU FOR ONE MINUTE FEEL, FOR EVEN ONE MINUTE, FEEL THAT IT'S OKAY TO INSULT MY RELIGION, YOU'RE MISTAKEN YOU SPOILT SCUM OF A SIKH.
Guru Nanak would have wept if he saw that you are one of his followers! Hell he'd have stopped believing in Sikhi himself if he thought that this is what his teachings led to!

You're seriously crossing the line here!

DON'T BELIEVE IN IDOL WORSHIP IF YOU WON'T, BUT IF YOU FOR ONE MINUTE FEEL, FOR EVEN ONE MINUTE, THAT IT'S OKAY TO INSULT MY RELIGION, YOU'RE MISTAKEN YOU SPOILT SCUM OF A SIKH.
Guru Nanak would have wept if he saw that you are one of his followers! Hell he'd have stopped believing in Sikhi himself if he thought that this is what his teachings led to!

You don't know much about your own religion do you? I wasn't being facetious.

Shivalingam ...

To test the devotion of the sages in the forest of Daaruk, Lord Shiva came in the form of an Avadhooth (a naked man) holding his penis. The wives of some sages were bewildered who ran away at the sight and the other wives were rather excited and approached the Lord. When the great sages saw the Avadhooth engrossed in perverse activities with their wives, they were infuriated and cursed that his phallus should fall on the ground. As per the curse, the Lingam fell down and began burning every place it went to, which included the Earth, the Paathaalam/Paathaal (underworld) and the Swargam/Swarg(heaven)

Can someone explain what shivling is and the purpose?

you know the black stone that people pour milk over in the Mandir, that is a Shivling. It is considered as a mark of god.

Am i correct @nucdev

You don't know much about your own religion do you? I wasn't being facetious.

Shivalingam ...

To test the devotion of the sages in the forest of Daaruk, Lord Shiva came in the form of an Avadhooth (a naked man) holding his penis. The wives of some sages were bewildered who ran away at the sight and the other wives were rather excited and approached the Lord. When the great sages saw the Avadhooth engrossed in perverse activities with their wives, they were infuriated and cursed that his phallus should fall on the ground. As per the curse, the Lingam fell down and began burning every place it went to, which included the Earth, the Paathaalam/Paathaal (underworld) and the Swargam/Swarg(heaven)

Really great post Mind if I use it? People ask me about worshipping idols all the time and I don't think I've seen it explained better!

Too many denominations of Hinduism. Agoris, smearing ashes upon the body of the dead, Shivites and so on. Is this all accepted by God you think?