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The Liverpool FC Thread XIV
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Original post by mr tim
£7m bid rejected for Ben Chilwell, Leicester want £10m. We're considering Hull's Robertson as an alternative.
We've put in a £30m bid in for Mane.
Allen likely to leave Liverpool for Swansea for £10m.
We've put in a £30m bid in for Mane.
Allen likely to leave Liverpool for Swansea for £10m.
If klopp buys mane surely that means one of (firmino coutinho or lallana) is going ?
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Original post by nerdling_CompSci
Its a disaster in terms of creativity, henderson and can are not mobile and they're vision is trash.
I dont have to praise allens vision you already know he's very creative.
All im saying with this allen issue is that if KLOPP sells him and buys Zielinski or dahoud (who are both downgrades) then KLOPP can go **** himself.
Reclying an AMG with a bicycle(s).
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I dont have to praise allens vision you already know he's very creative.
All im saying with this allen issue is that if KLOPP sells him and buys Zielinski or dahoud (who are both downgrades) then KLOPP can go **** himself.
Reclying an AMG with a bicycle(s).
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Euro 2016: Why Criticism Of Jordan Henderson Is Unreasonable
http://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2016/06/euro-2016-why-criticism-of-jordan-henderson-is-unreasonable/
Good article which pretty much sums up where I stand on Henderson. You still haven't been able to explain why if Allen is so great, he hasn't been able to impose himself as 1st choice in his 4 year stint so far at Liverpool? Allen is just being overrated frankly. Yes he's a good player - probably enough to be a top 6 club player in any of the European leagues but how has he suddenly become Xavi in people's eyes? I don't think anyone would pick him as a player starting to a title challenging side.
Original post by nerdling_CompSci
If klopp buys mane surely that means one of (firmino coutinho or lallana) is going ?
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No you need a squad for the number of games and have some different options. Gone are the days when you could use just 12-13 players and do well. Even Leicester used around 15-20 players regularly last season (10+ appearances).
Original post by mr tim
£7m bid rejected for Ben Chilwell, Leicester want £10m. We're considering Hull's Robertson as an alternative.
We've put in a £30m bid in for Mane.
Allen likely to leave Liverpool for Swansea for £10m.
We've put in a £30m bid in for Mane.
Allen likely to leave Liverpool for Swansea for £10m.
Still don't get why we're going for a young LB when we could do with some defensive experience to balance out Moreno in the squad?
Seems steep for Mane.. I haven't watched that much of him - is he that good?
Not much we can do with Allen when he only has a year left on his contract and there can't be too many clubs willing to come in for him? Swansea, Celtic.. who else? Although still seems on the low side considering the other transfer prices being banded about.
Lallana has played very well for club and country but he can't score. Would rather have Mane who you know can score goals and provide the pace and width that Lallana isn't able to offer, happy for Lallana to be a squad player or start in the big games but he doesn't have that spark of quality and end product we need in the regular first XI. The only issue is Mane's consistency, but he was played centrally last season so maybe he is better out wide?
Original post by nerdling_CompSci
You're right about long balls. Which is why we need to play a 433 if allen isn't sold. A rock solid CDM with Can and Allen is sufficient than buying Zielinski.
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Why should we have to sacrifice an attacking player just to fit Allen in? We will be playing against compact defences so having an extra central midfielder leaves us lighter upfront. Think Allen is being overrated based on good performances for his country, he's not starting XI quality for a top 4 side and hasn't demonstrated that during his career with Liverpool at all. Don't get me wrong, I would love to keep him but he can't impose or dominate the midfield as well as we need.
I'm going to keep plugging The Anfield Wrap 
The podcast session called The Anfield Wrap last week about 30 minutes into it, talk about a really interesting point imo. The idea that we're losing specialists (the goal scoring number 9, the traditional winger, the physical CB etc) and over the past decade we've more and more towards just a whole lot of midfield type players who can play anywhere - strikers/attacking midfield players all becoming those who want to be behind the main striker, inverted wingers, fullbacks who can play CM, CMs move back into ball playing CBs etc.
Will be interesting to see who comes up with a clever formation/set-up to counter that? The obvious one would be to make the pitch as big as possible (traditional 4-4-2?) but then you open yourself up to being dominated in the middle of the pitch and being countered easily due to not having numbers back.
The podcast session called The Anfield Wrap last week about 30 minutes into it, talk about a really interesting point imo. The idea that we're losing specialists (the goal scoring number 9, the traditional winger, the physical CB etc) and over the past decade we've more and more towards just a whole lot of midfield type players who can play anywhere - strikers/attacking midfield players all becoming those who want to be behind the main striker, inverted wingers, fullbacks who can play CM, CMs move back into ball playing CBs etc.
Will be interesting to see who comes up with a clever formation/set-up to counter that? The obvious one would be to make the pitch as big as possible (traditional 4-4-2?) but then you open yourself up to being dominated in the middle of the pitch and being countered easily due to not having numbers back.
Original post by Zerforax
I'm going to keep plugging The Anfield Wrap
The podcast session called The Anfield Wrap last week about 30 minutes into it, talk about a really interesting point imo. The idea that we're losing specialists (the goal scoring number 9, the traditional winger, the physical CB etc) and over the past decade we've more and more towards just a whole lot of midfield type players who can play anywhere - strikers/attacking midfield players all becoming those who want to be behind the main striker, inverted wingers, fullbacks who can play CM, CMs move back into ball playing CBs etc.
Will be interesting to see who comes up with a clever formation/set-up to counter that? The obvious one would be to make the pitch as big as possible (traditional 4-4-2?) but then you open yourself up to being dominated in the middle of the pitch and being countered easily due to not having numbers back.
The podcast session called The Anfield Wrap last week about 30 minutes into it, talk about a really interesting point imo. The idea that we're losing specialists (the goal scoring number 9, the traditional winger, the physical CB etc) and over the past decade we've more and more towards just a whole lot of midfield type players who can play anywhere - strikers/attacking midfield players all becoming those who want to be behind the main striker, inverted wingers, fullbacks who can play CM, CMs move back into ball playing CBs etc.
Will be interesting to see who comes up with a clever formation/set-up to counter that? The obvious one would be to make the pitch as big as possible (traditional 4-4-2?) but then you open yourself up to being dominated in the middle of the pitch and being countered easily due to not having numbers back.
isn't that a wider issue in football in general? Wenger's spoke on it before, about how the quality of grass at top academies in Europe is so good, they are just focusing on mastering passing, and that's why the top strikers are coming out of South America and not Europe right now.
Original post by swirly
isn't that a wider issue in football in general? Wenger's spoke on it before, about how the quality of grass at top academies in Europe is so good, they are just focusing on mastering passing, and that's why the top strikers are coming out of South America and not Europe right now.
Yea they were talking about the trend Europe wide and how it's likely to continue since the academies will be focused on that for the foreseeable future which in turn means more of the best players will fall into that mould.
Not seen anything of Chilwell, but saw we were linked with Robertson from Hull today too. You feel left-back is definitely a position high on Klopp's agenda, if he's willing to drop down from his first choice target quite swiftly.
Original post by Mackay
Not seen anything of Chilwell, but saw we were linked with Robertson from Hull today too. You feel left-back is definitely a position high on Klopp's agenda, if he's willing to drop down from his first choice target quite swiftly.
This transfer window is likely to be the worst LFC window ever
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Original post by Mackay
Not seen anything of Chilwell, but saw we were linked with Robertson from Hull today too. You feel left-back is definitely a position high on Klopp's agenda, if he's willing to drop down from his first choice target quite swiftly.
Can't be that high a priority if he's not willing to spend £10-12mil that Leicester are reportedly demanding. I think he just wants a 2nd choice LB so doesn't want to spend a lot of money on a LB?
Ah seems we are refusing to go that high because Chilwell's contract runs out next summer so 10mil on a youngster who hasn't played in the premier league and only has a year left does seem way too excessive.
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Original post by Zerforax
Can't be that high a priority if he's not willing to spend £10-12mil that Leicester are reportedly demanding. I think he just wants a 2nd choice LB so doesn't want to spend a lot of money on a LB?
Ah seems we are refusing to go that high because Chilwell's contract runs out next summer so 10mil on a youngster who hasn't played in the premier league and only has a year left does seem way too excessive.
Ah seems we are refusing to go that high because Chilwell's contract runs out next summer so 10mil on a youngster who hasn't played in the premier league and only has a year left does seem way too excessive.
It's clearly a high priority if he's getting it boxed off this early.
It's farcical Leicester want a figure like that, though. The Robertson rumour could be an agent's way, or the club's, of getting Chilwell to push for a move/Leicester to drop their price.
Original post by Mackay
It's clearly a high priority if he's getting it boxed off this early.
It's farcical Leicester want a figure like that, though. The Robertson rumour could be an agent's way, or the club's, of getting Chilwell to push for a move/Leicester to drop their price.
It's farcical Leicester want a figure like that, though. The Robertson rumour could be an agent's way, or the club's, of getting Chilwell to push for a move/Leicester to drop their price.
I'm sure we're trying to tie up any and all deals we can but with the Euros and Copa America, it must be proving difficult. Other than Borussia Dortmund (who have signed 4 or 5 players) and Bayern Munich (who have signed 2 high profile), I don't think many clubs have been able to advance signings as quickly as they would like.
No doubt with Chilwell not being away, they just wanted to box it off?
In terms of priority, I meant that we're not looking for an experienced replacement at LB for Moreno and instead looking at youngsters (as opposed to the position itself).
I read an article the other day how Klopp wants a young LB because he wants to develop and mould the player himself. We have seen how Klopp can take unproven talent and turn them into a worldie so I have complete and utter trust in him. He might feel that Moreno is ok to start for the short term whilst the new LB learns under Klopp and acclimatises to league and his training methods. Earlier in the season he did say he wants patience from the fans wrt to buying young players as they will inevitably make mistakes.
Either way we have to look at the bigger picture here, I'd rather Klopp slowly improves the team and players over 2/3 seasons and then have strong foundations and a squad able to challenge on all fronts for the long term. Much better than the yo yoing we have seen in the past few seasons.
How does everyone feel about Mane for £30 million? I haven't really seen him play much, all I know is he has a good bit of pace on him which is something we need and he can score (scored 15 goals in all comps last season).
Either way we have to look at the bigger picture here, I'd rather Klopp slowly improves the team and players over 2/3 seasons and then have strong foundations and a squad able to challenge on all fronts for the long term. Much better than the yo yoing we have seen in the past few seasons.
How does everyone feel about Mane for £30 million? I haven't really seen him play much, all I know is he has a good bit of pace on him which is something we need and he can score (scored 15 goals in all comps last season).
Original post by The.Joker
I read an article the other day how Klopp wants a young LB because he wants to develop and mould the player himself. We have seen how Klopp can take unproven talent and turn them into a worldie so I have complete and utter trust in him. He might feel that Moreno is ok to start for the short term whilst the new LB learns under Klopp and acclimatises to league and his training methods. Earlier in the season he did say he wants patience from the fans wrt to buying young players as they will inevitably make mistakes.
Either way we have to look at the bigger picture here, I'd rather Klopp slowly improves the team and players over 2/3 seasons and then have strong foundations and a squad able to challenge on all fronts for the long term. Much better than the yo yoing we have seen in the past few seasons.
How does everyone feel about Mane for £30 million? I haven't really seen him play much, all I know is he has a good bit of pace on him which is something we need and he can score (scored 15 goals in all comps last season).
Either way we have to look at the bigger picture here, I'd rather Klopp slowly improves the team and players over 2/3 seasons and then have strong foundations and a squad able to challenge on all fronts for the long term. Much better than the yo yoing we have seen in the past few seasons.
How does everyone feel about Mane for £30 million? I haven't really seen him play much, all I know is he has a good bit of pace on him which is something we need and he can score (scored 15 goals in all comps last season).
Interesting point but then why can't he buy a young LB who will be given 2-3 years before he's thrown into the first team and someone who can actually compete with Moreno today?
Mane at that price worries me a little since Southampton have a great ability to rip us off + he seems a bit inconsistent.
Original post by Zerforax
Interesting point but then why can't he buy a young LB who will be given 2-3 years before he's thrown into the first team and someone who can actually compete with Moreno today?
Mane at that price worries me a little since Southampton have a great ability to rip us off + he seems a bit inconsistent.
Mane at that price worries me a little since Southampton have a great ability to rip us off + he seems a bit inconsistent.
Mane strikes me as a more than just a little inconsistent, to be honest.
I hope we keep Allen.
Original post by Zerforax
Interesting point but then why can't he buy a young LB who will be given 2-3 years before he's thrown into the first team and someone who can actually compete with Moreno today?
Mane at that price worries me a little since Southampton have a great ability to rip us off + he seems a bit inconsistent.
Mane at that price worries me a little since Southampton have a great ability to rip us off + he seems a bit inconsistent.
Not a bit, he is 100% inconsistent, thats why he he sat on the bench for 16 games last season
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Mane did play centrally behind the striker last season so that could be a reason why he was inconsistent, his normal position is outwide.
I'm more worried about how he will adjust to playing against compact defences. This is where our new signings usually fail at considering we tend to sign them from clubs who don't face parked busses as often as we do.
I'm more worried about how he will adjust to playing against compact defences. This is where our new signings usually fail at considering we tend to sign them from clubs who don't face parked busses as often as we do.
Mane would be Klopp's first big signing so he must see something..?
Original post by Zerforax
Mane would be Klopp's first big signing so he must see something..?
What do u mean he sees something ? A manager always sees something in thier signings... but that doesn't mean shii... LVG Bought memphis depay and morgan scheiderland bcoz he saw something from them and then they ended up sucking the bench for more than 20 games.
Pep guardiola or whatever he's name is, bought ibrahimovic and alexis sanchez and they both proved to be catastrophic.
Just because Klopp is signing all these players doesnt mean they'll transform to something that will take us to TOP4.
The only good thing about this signing is that we probably wont be going for rubbish Zielinski (god only know what klopp saw in him)
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