Eu: In or out?

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Haven't shown any yet? :tongue:

You want facts? Ok.

'Why do Leave voters think they know better than experts?

Because these 'experts' were wrong about the Gold standard, they were wrong about the single market when the intention all along was ever closer political union and they were wrong about the Euro.

They were wrong then and they are wrong now!

If UK leaves the EU, EU will collapse. Cos UK is essentially financing the entire EU with the strong £ against the failed €. Do you recall the George Osbourne tax rebate fiasco from 2 years ago? EU slapped a £1.7 billion on UK but Cameron vowed that he would not pay it. What happened in the end? UK still paid up and did so quietly.
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-29751124
http://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-e...u-budget-bill/
http://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-e...n-budget-bill/
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...ember-deadline
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...happening.html

Yesterday, the German finance minister said he would cry if UK voted Brexit. Of course he would! Cos UK is the one funding the EU and Germany gets to dictate who gets the money and what to do with it.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...-EU-referendum
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...718_story.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...-a6909616.html

Please understand that Germany controls the EU and dictates to the other member states when to stand up and when to sit down. France is her close ally despite their colourful history.

If UK leaves, then the other poorer member states would want to follow suit. Do you recall last year when EU forced Greece to accept a humongous financial bailout which EU knew Greece would never be able to repay back cos the interests were just too high? and the greek banks allowed its citizens to withdraw only €120 per week? When this news first broke out in Greece, its citizens queued up outside the bank to withdraw their monies but the banks were shut. Do you recall this man who cried outside the bank and this image went viral?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ing-man-banks/

If UK leaves then many EU citizens working in the UK and living off benefits will have to return back to their home countries. These EU citizens based in UK, don't want this to happen because UK is the only country in EU that offers such amazing benefits.

Many of the lecturers in the UK unis are also against Brexit because if UK pulls out of it then these lecturers will have to return back to their home countries and re-apply via a work permit system. So far nothing unusual? The catch here is that these lecturers of EU origin will have to compete for lecturing jobs with equally abled or far better lecturers from New Zealand, Canada, Australia, India, Hong Kong and Singapore. This is the reason why many lecturers have been writing articles and blogs online to plead with UK citizens to vote in their favour. How selfish!

If you have studied politics at A-level or at uni, depending on who your lecturer is and which textbook you're reading, you will know that ever since UK joined the EU, she has given away her sovereignty to the unelected bureaucrats in Brussels and Luxembourg. I can't help but wonder why UK still needs a Supreme Court when its no longer supreme and a British parliament when it's no longer sovereign?

Do you know that millions of British soldiers have died in several wars over the centuries to protect Queen and country? But Tony Blair let these millions of soldier died in vain because when he was in power for 10 years or so as the Prime Minister of UK, he allowed virtually everyone to enter the UK

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without checking if they are holding genuine passports

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without checking if they have links to terrorist groups

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without checking if they have criminal records in their home countries

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without checking if they have genuine educational qualifications or a trade skill

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without checking if they have HIV/AIDS

Someone recently asked me why should people wanting to enter into another country, be checked for HIV/AIDS? This is because the government owes a duty to its citizens to protect them from people who may want to infect others with their communicable diseases. This is an extension of a 'social contract theory'. Read up on it if you have time. Educate yourself.

I'm German. As you know, many migrant men raped, molested and sexually abused many women in my country since New Year's Day.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35231046
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...ks-list-crimes
http://www.news.com.au/finance/econo...d65045e65e141d

This is the list of sex crimes against German women in one night. I hope you have a strong stomach for this.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016...-sex-assaults/

You only have to see what the German police commissioner said on national TV to understand the true extent of the migrant crisis. Mind you, the higher command in Germany gave him a piece of their mind following the telecast of this interview. Watch it to believe it.

You may have read or heard, many of these migrants have turned my country upside down. I hope all of you reading my post, bears this in mind. A country's sovereignty, security and safety of its citizens is so important. With Merkel's blunder, we have become a carbon copy of UK & the rest of EU and their set of problems.

Merkel has been in hiding for many months now. She's pushing 62 years of age. She won't throw in the towel just yet. If UK decides to remain in the EU, I am certain they will make EU into a united states of Europe and she would be the major contender for the post of PM of the USE. Tony Blair has quietened down way too much to be able to stake a claim for that coveted position.

Merkel studied physics and then chemistry. She has no knowledge and understanding about politics, law, finance and sociology. She tells the German public one thing and tells the EU another thing and then tells the world another thing. Sometime back she said that refugees must now return back to their countries of origin after the wars back home have ended.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu...-idUSKCN0V80IH

With Turkey's inclusion into the EU imminent, there will be 77 million Turks who will get to make their debut appearance in any of the EU member states. They will not go to France because France has zero tolerance towards Muslims. They will continue to come to Germany or go to the UK where the borders are invincible and where the border agents have zero powers to turn people away.

And if you go onto the Oxbridge threads on this forum and some of the other top UK unis, you will see a growing number of EU students who simply want UK to stay in the EU so that they can apply for student loans because without it they will not be able to study in these top unis. Their main priority is to get the funding and get a place at these tops unis.

So you must be wondering whats wrong with that? Well, a growing number of EU students simply take these loans, one after another and then disappear after they've completed their studies without repaying the loans and the British government has to write off these debts. It's been reported several times and it's about time UK puts her foot down.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/672...g-tuition-fees
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...ing-loans.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...pay-debts.html

The money you send to EU can be used to invest in your NHS, build more hospitals, recruit more police officers, increase their salaries which should apply to teachers and junior doctors too, give incentives (funding, tax breaks) to British citizens to start their own businesses (entrepreneurship) and so much more.

Vote Leave!

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Reply 521

TheLittlestElf

Original post by Naveed-7

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Naveed the master copy paster xoxox

Reply 522

DorianGrayism

Original post by Studentus-anonymous

Well, let's start with this link.

I agree that CAP is a waste. Having said that, we will have to pay for subsidies in a Brexit.

Number 2, 3, and 4 don't really have anything to do with the UK.

We have a very low unemployment rate because we have one of the most flexible labour markets in the world. The fact the French are inflexible is their own issue.

3 and 4 are specifically related to the Euro, which we are not a part of.

In obv

Original post by TheLittlestElf

Oh man what a ****. Such a condescending arse :rofl:

Asking you to think for yourself, do a bit of research about important politics and to serve your public image by not resorting to childish insults and attitude is actually as far from condescension as it gets but hey, haters gonna hate.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Reply 525

ChargingStag

Leave

Bremainers' berating of us is starting to get more annoying here now - I have never insulted anyone for wanting to remain, so I think it should be a 2 way street for those of us that conduct ourselves with dignity.

Reply 526

DorianGrayism

Original post by ChargingStag

Well, I completely agree. I think most of us have been cordial with others.

I am sure there are others on the Leave side that can be accused of similar.

Reply 527

JamesN88

@Naveed-7

Here's a fact.

The experts weren't unanimous about the Euro. The Treasury's findings were against it and the government followed their advice.

Reply 528

ChargingStag

Original post by DorianGrayism

Well, I completely agree. I think most of us have been cordial with others.

I am sure there are others on the Leave side that can be accused of similar.

Absolutely agreed, it's a shame. And sorry if it has been pretty tame here, I just came from a thread where the insults towards leave were thrown needlessly right from the bat so it hasn't been a great start... :redface:

Reply 529

Naveed.178

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Reply 530

eminkinza

Original post by cookie123456789

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

wat???

Reply 531

eminkinza

Original post by Studentus-anonymous

Psychological deflection mechanism, because the thought you could have chosen the wrong option is very uncomfortable.

And it wasn't an appeal to emotion, it was an appeal to reason and logic. But again a defensive mechanism, quite natural.

I can't do your research for you, here's a few links to get you going:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euroscepticism

http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/glossary/criticism-eu/

http://econ.economicshelp.org/2008/04/problem-with-euro.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union#Governance

That's 4 links in a minute's googling.

Do your own research. Be aware of confirmation bias. Try and open your mind as much as you can, ignore propaganda from either side. then decide. If you already have then so be it, if you've decided on Remain while fully aware of the issues then so be it, and if you by some chance swing to Brexit then that's fine by me.

Just drop the mud-slinging, projecting and calling it a victory, when it's pure self-defeat.

Have a happy polling day.

u in or out

Reply 532

eminkinza

nice reply

Original post by JamesN88

There's no such thing as "EU charges". Tariffs with non-EU countries will still exist if we leave the EU and trade deals will have to be negotiated, as they would have to be anyway.

We have free trade with South Korea already and deals with Vietnam and Singapore both finalised as part of our EU membership. So if we leave we'll actually be in a worse position in Asia as these deals will no longer apply to us.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_free_trade_agreements

Reply 533

eminkinza

thats deep but i like it..at least someone understands well ... ur a clever kid :smile:

QUOTE=Bobkata;66027671]For those who think that Britain will be better off and able to make its own laws if you vote OUT - you are WRONG!
First of all, the majority of the world banks are situated in London because it is the financial capital of Europe. Voting OUT would mean that most banks/corporations will move to Frankfurt/Zürich, which could result in less job opportunities.
Secondly, it is impossible for Britain to be single market. If it wants to be single market, Britain needs to join the EEA as Switzerland and Norway did. Anyway, the EU set the laws and regulations of the EEA which means that the Union will shape the policies of Britain. Isn't that what you are trying to avoid???
At the same time, as a part of the EU, Britain has the opportinity to take part in the law writing process.
Migrants??? Britain can still negotiate with the other countries while being a part of the EU. If you work hard enough migrants won't take your jobs...
We live in the 21st century - we should be united!
Britain is great NOW. It can't be great if you leave the EU. Even at the times when Great Britain had been one of the leading economies it had partners.
Vote REMAIN

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Reply 534

ABoyHasNoName

Original post by spotify95

Til we meet once again, you and I;
Wish me luck as you wave me goodbye!

Goodbye EU, we want to put the Great back into Great Britain. I want OUT! :smile:

seee when the great app that I pay £5 a month to get premium on (spotify) tells you to do something you listen!

Reply 535

discuss

Original post by adam9317

Would it tend to be that most people voting leave would be UKIP supporters, or at least right wingers?

What do you mean by right wing ? I am a conservative and class myself as right wing ( hate left wing views ) but I am voting to remain in the EU.

I would say it is down to individual belief and judgement . Good question though !

Reply 536

adam9317

Original post by discuss

What I originally meant was; in a general election party lines are clear. If you are typically right wing, you won't vote for labour and vice versa,

But its evident in this referendum that people will vote leave/remain from all sides of the political divide, and its not exclusive as to what your political belief is, as to which way you will vote!

Reply 537

Iknowbest

Well the 57% remain vote just proves to me what we are dealing with here on TSR! 57% of people who voted have fallen for the scaremongering tactics used by the Remain camp!

We are Britain, we are safer OUT of the EU and more democratic OUT of the EU.. we are a strong, vibrant and worthy nation who can go it alone and prosper without the Shackles of the EU! We have had a pretty sh**** 40 years in the EU.. that is very much the same old same... with more and more budget cuts and rising debts, it is about time we had a change and really improved things for our future generations in Britain.

We currently have more and more people entering Britain, therefor requiring the public services on offer and increasing pressure on these services..and then budget cuts to these services at the same time! it simply is not working! When will we need a bailout like Greece and Ireland and many others soon to follow in the failing EU?

Let's get the hell OUT!!!