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Islam has ‘no place’ in my country, says next EU president

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Original post by dskinner
It sucks but oh well not much we can do about it....


Sadly not. I'm just waiting for the barrage of criticism from the overly-PC lefties :frown:
Original post by slaven
It has imported millions of blacks and muslims creating social problems.


Hm, I'm not sure 'imported' is a great word to use (they came of their own choice and it's dangerously close to dehumanising them, but perhaps this comment is exactly the kind of loony liberal chunder you were hoping to dowse the pristine whites of this thread).

Aside, surely the issue is not with Islam, since there are many ways of practising it (I know someone who identifies as Muslim, but also has a tendency to throw capacious house parties) but with minor sections of Islam?

And perhaps, it could be argued, the issue isn't even Islam, but Islam-derived cultures perceiving social issues differently (i.e you don't identify as being a Muslim but the society in which you grew up, thus the morals you have, are derived from the laws of Islam, thus so are your morals).

TLDR: precocious writing with little purpose and probably a load of *******s.
Original post by alevelstresss
No, but it is concentrated in the Middle East and Asia - the former of which is primarily occupied by Arabs.


This point is irrelevant to your initial statement.

Original post by alevelstresss
If you insult a religion, you insult its followers. It's pretty absurd to say "Yeah Mohamed you're a good guy but your religion is completely evil with vile tenets, every Islamic value you were raised up to know to be true is discriminatory and bad, your religion kills x people and sharia law is bad bla bla bla"


Hardly. Identifying yourself with an ideology is a choice; this is something he/she can change. Criticism of said ideology is not an insult on an individual. But if that person chooses to be offended, then it's on them and not the critic. Remember, race and ideology are two very different things.
Original post by Banterlopes
Hm, I'm not sure 'imported' is a great word to use (they came of their own choice and it's dangerously close to dehumanising them, but perhaps this comment is exactly the kind of loony liberal chunder you were hoping to dowse the pristine whites of this thread).

Aside, surely the issue is not with Islam, since there are many ways of practising it (I know someone who identifies as Muslim, but also has a tendency to throw capacious house parties) but with minor sections of Islam?

And perhaps, it could be argued, the issue isn't even Islam, but Islam-derived cultures perceiving social issues differently (i.e you don't identify as being a Muslim but the society in which you grew up, thus the morals you have, are derived from the laws of Islam, thus so are your morals).

TLDR: precocious writing with little purpose and probably a load of *******s.

This.

When I see news of Muslim migrants comitting rape I never see them doing it using religious justification. Whilst the whole #culturenotreligon is very cliché, it's hard to deny in many cases that it's the culture that plays a large part.
Original post by Aceadria
This point is irrelevant to your initial statement.



Hardly. Identifying yourself with an ideology is a choice; this is something he/she can change. Criticism of said ideology is not an insult on an individual. But if that person chooses to be offended, then it's on them and not the critic. Remember, race and ideology are two very different things.


Lol my original point in the first place was that all the closet racists had gathered, not that anyone had been racist tbh
Original post by alevelstresss
Lol my original point in the first place was that all the closet racists had gathered, not that anyone had been racist tbh




How can they be closet racists when there are white, black, asian muslims?

Are they simultaneously mocking 3 races at the same time?
Original post by Esoteric-
Lol yes, Arab countries have accepted very few of these "refugees" despite them having similar cultures / heritage

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Define "very few".
Original post by Aceadria
Good to see a leader having an opinion that isn't part of the consensus. Islam, as an ideology, has no place in Europe.


Islam as an ideology has no place in Europe? Islam means peace, how can you say there's no place for peace? Haha, go do some research.
Original post by lolnookay123
Islam as an ideology has no place in Europe? Islam means peace, how can you say there's no place for peace? Haha, go do some research.


And Nazi means National socialism which doesn't sound too vicious, so what's your point?


Islam has shown the west everything other than peace for the last 25 years.
Original post by champ_mc99
This.

When I see news of Muslim migrants comitting rape I never see them doing it using religious justification. Whilst the whole #culturenotreligon is very cliché, it's hard to deny in many cases that it's the culture that plays a large part.


yeah, religion emerges from culture, and culture from evolutionary psychological development, whether religious people would like to admit that or not
Original post by Fantastic Fan
And Nazi means National socialism which doesn't sound too vicious, so what's your point?


Islam has shown the west everything other than peace for the last 25 years.


Wow, sweeping generalisation there. People who claim to be muslim may have shown the west nothing but peace (I don't see those people as muslim, they do not hold any of the values), but the religion as a whole has no reason to be blamed. If we all made generalisations like that where would we be? Living with our 'own kind' in our 'own place'. What a lovely world that would be(!)
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Practiced religion is literally cancer. A lot of European countries have an "official" religion but no one is really practicing, it's just tradition, and we all know it's fairytales.

People that literally believe in some wizard in the sky, expect us to change our culture to accommodate them, and insist their beliefs are the best and the ideal, have no place in any European country. Britain is full of pushovers that try their hardest to be PC for god knows what reason.

Maybe it's because this country has no sense of identity anymore so ya'll don't understand what it's like to want to preserve tradition/culture that you fought centuries for.
Islam is very diverse, ranging from peaceful/spiritual sects to extremists who take things out of context and literally. So you can't blame such a large religion for actions of minority.
Original post by lolnookay123
Wow, sweeping generalisation there. People who claim to be muslim may have shown the west nothing but peace (I don't see those people as muslim, they do not hold any of the values), but the religion as a whole has no reason to be blamed. If we all made generalisations like that where would we be? Living with our 'own kind' in our 'own place'. What a lovely world that would be(!)




That's untrue, and you're the one generalising all the peaceful muslims to be representative of all muslims, ignoring the radicals.
Destroying ideas is hard, but I hope one day it will happen.
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Original post by Fantastic Fan
That's untrue, and you're the one generalising all the peaceful muslims to be representative of all muslims, ignoring the radicals.


Did you read what I wrote properly? Lol, where did I say that all muslims are peaceful? There are radicals that claim to be muslim, of course. But i said that those people do not hold any values that real muslims should. Read properly, and make valid points please.
Original post by lolnookay123
Did you read what I wrote properly? Lol, where did I say that all muslims are peaceful? There are radicals that claim to be muslim, of course. But i said that those people do not hold any values that real muslims should. Read properly, and make valid points please.




What do you mean they do not hold true Muslim values?

Have you read the Qur'an at all, or are you just another muslim who thinks Islamic values are about love peace and tolerance, even though most Islamic countires are the exact opposite of this.
Original post by ImNotReallyMe
yeah, religion emerges from culture, and culture from evolutionary psychological development, whether religious people would like to admit that or not


Wasn't really to do with my point but if it makes you happy...
Original post by Fantastic Fan
What do you mean they do not hold true Muslim values?

Have you read the Qur'an at all, or are you just another muslim who thinks Islamic values are about love peace and tolerance, even though most Islamic countires are the exact opposite of this.


They will always be in a crippling state of denial about this
Original post by alevelstresss
Lol my original point in the first place was that all the closet racists had gathered, not that anyone had been racist tbh


These two points are the same thing.

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