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Original post by georgia-hughes
I have ADD and severe slow processing. This means it takes me longer to write, harder to concentrate for a long period of time on one thing and basically longer to transfer knowledge from brain to paper which is a side effect of having mild cerebral palsy. This was diagnosed two months into year 13. Throughout my GCSE's and AS's, teachers were completely puzzled as to why I was getting C's, D's and E's despite having a high IQ and getting top grades in untimed questions. For example, in my ICT paper, we were given 2 hours and 15 minutes (plenty for an 80 mark paper), and the questions were fairly short, I finished on time and achieved an A, however, on my politics paper, a mark a minute, a missed out a 40 mark question because I didn't have time to finish it, yet I achieved nearly full marks in the questions I did complete resulting in low grades. Does this mean I am any less intelligent than the person who completed the paper within the time frame?

I now have 50% extra time in my exams, this doesn't give me an advantage believe me, it puts me at the same level as the reasonably competent student and allows me to get the grades that I am capable of. I get why people don't think that extra time is fair, but how frustrated would you be if you spent months revising for exams that you were well capable of acing only to be stopped half way through.

I find that the 'work life' argument is rather weak. Yes we are all given deadlines to some extent, but how often are employees sat down and told to reproduce a year or two's worth of revision in a tight time frame? It cost my parents £400 to 'diagnose' me which is there to try and deter students from abusing the system (although I am aware it still happens) and my mother was also diagnosed despite being in her 50's with a six figure salary so there is a prime example of how unrealistic your argument is.

So, to entertain your point of view, maybe a career based on strict deadlines and high concentration for long periods of time isn't for me,but guess what, theres thousands of careers out there and I'll choose one that suits my working style, however education in this country does't work like that and considering I applied to russell group universities, I gathered A-Levels would be the most realistic option.

Standardised testing has it's flaws and with my conditions, I suffer as a result of those flaws. Extra time shouldn't be awarded to those who don't need it, that is a kick in the face to me and those who work incredibly hard to finish in the snappy time frames. However, the ignorance about extra time is appalling, and maybe you ought to face the realisation that standardised testing is the problem and not extra time. Shouldn't exams be about knowledge rather than speed of completing the exam?


Some really great points. I agree with everything you said, there has been a lot of hate and bitterness on this thread, along with ignorance and arrogance in regards to those who get extra time. You proved exactly why needing extra time in exams is fair to those who need it and that it has no relevance to how intelligent one may be.
Original post by kisaki
Thank you. I would also agree exams, and potentially the education system itself, needs to be reformed.

My opinion is very controversial and likely to be bashed by many, but getting good grades does not necessarily make you intelligent. I'm not saying people who do well aren't intelligent because the majority are, as well as hardworking ect. But school now seems to be what you regurgitate rather than what you can build upon or add to what we know. It also doesn't really prepare you for real life and true independent thought and creation.
There are a lot of people who fail school who are incredibly intelligent, but simply do not test well, have differing interests or specialist areas than the curriculum or have a different learning style to the mainstream. A better education system could feed those minds and better so many more young people in various areas and have a huge global benefit.

I think the saying 'you can't judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree' is very relevant here. There needs to be more acceptance that everyone is good at different things and has the capability to improve the world via their contributions to them. You can't say someones talents are more valid than someone elses dependant on what field they're in. There needs to be more support for varying attributes and not just english/math/science. It think it is a shame BTEC has so much stigma because they can be very valuable to certain areas such as sport that are more practical.
What I'm getting to is that there is a difference between equality and equity; it is the latter that will benefit society but our current education system doesn't really allow for that. Extra time is a movement in that direction...

at the end of the day extra time allows people who struggle to express themselves as quickly as others to show that that they ARE intelligent and have useful knowledge, points, opinions and arguments which deserve to be valued and recognised as much as anyone else's in society. These people can make just as valuable contributions as any of us, they just need longer to express it. In the real world, when it comes down to the most important things in life, nobody cares if it takes you an hour or a day to come up with a point, they care who makes the better point.
Yes people abuse the system and get extra time when they don't deserve it, but that means there is a fault with the means testing, not the principle itself... Stop being bitter toward your peers and be bitter toward the system.


I agree. It is bizarre that it is considered a controversial opinion as it seems so obvious that intelligence comes from a variety of attributes and life skills, not just grades. Unfortunately however most people judge solely on ones grades. The government really needs to change the system of exams. Exams don't measure how intelligent you are regarding a certain subject. They measure how well you can remember information/write articulate essays within a specific time limit, on a specific day and how well you can manipulate the answer to be what the exam moderate wants. They need to add variety to testing intelligence. More coursework should be one of them.
Original post by Tiger Rag
Antidepressants (and other medications) do cause some pretty unpleasant side effects, including concentration difficulties.


Not generalizing to all people that take antidepressants, however I've known a lot of people on antidepressants and I've never met one who has unpleasant side effects. Mood stabilizers and anti psychotics are usually the ones that produce nasty side effects. Obviously they need to put every possible side effect that has have ever been claimed or has even a tiny chance of happening on the leaflet that comes in the box but generally most of these don't happen in regards to SSRI's.
Original post by Mazzy95
Not generalizing to all people that take antidepressants, however I've known a lot of people on antidepressants and I've never met one who has unpleasant side effects. Mood stabilizers and anti psychotics are usually the ones that produce nasty side effects. Obviously they need to put every possible side effect that has have ever been claimed or has even a tiny chance of happening on the leaflet that comes in the box but generally most of these don't happen in regards to SSRI's.


I've been on a few anti depressants and have had some pretty unpleasant side effects from both. Had to come off both (including one pretty quickly) because of the side effects. Certainly couldn't have sat exams on either.

I find that the 'work life' argument is rather weak. Yes we are all given deadlines to some extent, but how often are employees sat down and told to reproduce a year or two's worth of revision in a tight time frame?


And with work, your boss would take into consideration your disabilities. So, if your processing speed is slower, they'll give you less work than your colleague with no such problem.
Here are my thoughts:

MENTAL DISABILITIES

Students with dyslexia? They deserve extra time, but only for exams where their dyslexia would significantly slow down the time they'd comprehend and answer the questions. Admittedly that is most subjects, but I don't think they should get extra time for Maths.
Students with dyscalculia? Same as above. So they should only get extra time for Maths (and maybe Physics, but that's pushing it).
Students with ADHD? There is medicine for that. Take it. You do NOT deserve extra time.
Students with autism? They should not be taking standardised tests. Still, if your condition is such that you genuinely need extra time, have it by all means.
Students who are simply less intelligent? They do NOT deserve extra time.

PHYSICAL DISABILITIES

A kid with a crippled hand who writes very slowly? They deserve extra time.
BUT a kid who has no disability but claims they deserve extra time because they write more slowly anyway? Learn to write faster, bub.
On a related note, my father, who is left-handed and writes like a snail, got through school just fine with As - then went on to receive not one, but two bachelors' degrees, a masters' and a PhD all in FIVE YEARS. How? By condensing all the information needed into short and handy paragraphs. They didn't have extra time in his day.
Original post by Tiger Rag
I've been on a few anti depressants and have had some pretty unpleasant side effects from both. Had to come off both (including one pretty quickly) because of the side effects. Certainly couldn't have sat exams on either.



And with work, your boss would take into consideration your disabilities. So, if your processing speed is slower, they'll give you less work than your colleague with no such problem.


Fair enough. Everyone's different and some medications may more commonly give side effects than others but they all have the potential to harm those who take them in some way. Sorry to hear of any distress you have had from them. Never had any side effects from antidepressants myself (Escitalopram, Sertraline and fluoxetine at various times over the years) but my quetiapine has ruled my life with the side effects for the last 7 years.
Original post by Mazzy95
Stop being passive aggressive about 'The It Man's' spelling and grammar. It doesn't mean that their views are less important just because they may have difficulties in these areas, or that your views should automatically be listened to because your posts are more articulate.


No need to bring up old posts. In the real world poor grammar and spelling won't get taken seriously.
Original post by Nelliebelly

Students with dyslexia? They deserve extra time, but only for exams where their dyslexia would significantly slow down the time they'd comprehend and answer the questions. Admittedly that is most subjects, but I don't think they should get extra time for Maths..


hey there I can't speak for most of the groups you commented on but as far as dyslexia goes - I am dyslexic, I take academic subjects and I didn't get extra time in my GCSE's or AS's because my teachers wouldn't appy for it because I was high functioning in classes so "it wouldn't be fair on the other students", naturally I underperformed massively - and failed my AS's meaning I had to stay on for a year 14 (aka hell year). But finally they wer convinced I required extra time, so in my AS retake year I was given 25%! I actually managed to finished most of my AS exams within about 10-15% of my extra time depending on the exam and having plenty of time to check my working and answers through - probably because I've become so used to having to rush every single letter to even stand a chance of finishing the paper.

Anyway, this year with most of my A2s I've finished comfortably within my 25% extra time and be able to spend the last few minutes checking through and correcting errors like a neurotypical student does but then some exams I've found I still don't have enough time to even finish the paper in, let along check though my workings - those papers have all been either maths exams or maths heavy exams such as physics - I don't have dyscalculia - I am perfectly fine with maths and I enjoy it but due to my dyslexia I may have failed my A2 maths exams. I can't speak on behalf of all dyslexic peeps but I find maths questions to be some of the needlessly hardest things to comprehend. Not the short 'differentiate this' or 'find x' questions, the ones where they decide to use a whole page of text to ask you to do a four mark rearrangement and substitution. And then atop that due to my shoddy handwriting, poor organisation and ridiculously low reading abilities I'm constantly misreading my own values and completing questions which I'm perfectly capable of scoring full marks on but instead am scoring half marks thanks to my disability.

So yeah, obviously we all have different experiences but personally I'd say knowing how my dyslexia affects me - I feel like if anything I should be entitled to more extra time in maths than I get in other subjects but I can't complain because 25% extra gives me more of a chance than 0%. did.

tl;dr - not everyone with the same disability is affected in the same way by their disability! for some people, their dyslexia might not cause them to need much extra time for maths or other subjects but this isn't the same for all dyslexic people, general statements over who needs what accommodations based on what label they have are practical in some instances, but with exam accommodations - I believe it should be individual specific as you really can't fully predict what in areas a disability will affect someone's exam performance.
People actually NEED extra time for various reasons like dyslexia or sensory processing disorder where they take a while to process stuff.
Original post by richpanda
No, it's completely unfair. That's not even counting the thousands of people who are perfectly capable but get extra time!

It's not unfair. People need the extra time for various reasons. It could be that they have ADHD and find it difficult to concentrate etc or Have issues like sensory processing disorder and take more time to process the information. Have you ever met someone who's needed extra time? For some people it can be a real lifesaver.
F**king h*ll people are just handed extra time it's not that easy. You have to have assessments and you're given the extra time according to how good/bad you did in that test smh


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Original post by richpanda
so..? are you going to be able to ask for more time later in life? If you were working to crack a code or hand in a project that needed to be done urgently, you can't just get extra time


Wow rich panda you just seem to be so negative about these things. I can understand why you're against it because yes there are people that cheat the system through bribery and corruption whatever. But I truly believe that people who need extra time in exams due to mental disabilities such as dyslexia etc should get it. And as I've read somewhere here, under the equality act of 2010 if you do have a mental disability that warrants extra time you're able to get it.
Original post by Tinka99
Curious about your thoughts.


Yes I do think that extra time in exams are fair!

Not every young student is the same. Some may be disabled for example. When I mean disabled I mean both physically and mentally. What happens if someone so young has only one arm - yet they have to by law go to school until the age of 16?This in theory means that they need to get GCSE qualifications and a lot of them do want to get them with pride. What about those with a mental disability like dyslexia or autism. Some of the most success and greatest individuals on this planet such as Tommy Hilfiger and Richard Branson had dyslexia and look at where they are. What I am trying to say that individuals with a mental disability also have a great mindset and we should not discriminate against them. They have every right in taking the same exams as yourself and just because it takes them longer to come up with the right answer doesn't necessarily make them daft.

What I am trying to say is that everyone should be given a fair chance in taking the exams and that the approach should be tailored to ones' needs. It is fair for people with physical and mental disabilities to take the extra time in exams. I did since primary school and still did at university! The extra time meant a lot to me and I am always very grateful for it!
Original post by yunglife
Yes I do think that extra time in exams are fair!

Not every young student is the same. Some may be disabled for example. When I mean disabled I mean both physically and mentally. What happens if someone so young has only one arm - yet they have to by law go to school until the age of 16?This in theory means that they need to get GCSE qualifications and a lot of them do want to get them with pride. What about those with a mental disability like dyslexia or autism. Some of the most success and greatest individuals on this planet such as Tommy Hilfiger and Richard Branson had dyslexia and look at where they are. What I am trying to say that individuals with a mental disability also have a great mindset and we should not discriminate against them. They have every right in taking the same exams as yourself and just because it takes them longer to come up with the right answer doesn't necessarily make them daft.

What I am trying to say is that everyone should be given a fair chance in taking the exams and that the approach should be tailored to ones' needs. It is fair for people with physical and mental disabilities to take the extra time in exams. I did since primary school and still did at university! The extra time meant a lot to me and I am always very grateful for it!


There is nothing left to be added. Agree with you. Just because some people with a handicap are a bit slowlier in terms of understanding the tasks, they are not stupider than the ones without a handicap.
Original post by Nelliebelly
Here are my thoughts:

MENTAL DISABILITIES

Students with dyslexia? They deserve extra time, but only for exams where their dyslexia would significantly slow down the time they'd comprehend and answer the questions. Admittedly that is most subjects, but I don't think they should get extra time for Maths.
Students with dyscalculia? Same as above. So they should only get extra time for Maths (and maybe Physics, but that's pushing it).
Students with ADHD? There is medicine for that. Take it. You do NOT deserve extra time.
Students with autism? They should not be taking standardised tests. Still, if your condition is such that you genuinely need extra time, have it by all means.
Students who are simply less intelligent? They do NOT deserve extra time.

PHYSICAL DISABILITIES

A kid with a crippled hand who writes very slowly? They deserve extra time.
BUT a kid who has no disability but claims they deserve extra time because they write more slowly anyway? Learn to write faster, bub.
On a related note, my father, who is left-handed and writes like a snail, got through school just fine with As - then went on to receive not one, but two bachelors' degrees, a masters' and a PhD all in FIVE YEARS. How? By condensing all the information needed into short and handy paragraphs. They didn't have extra time in his day.


You do realise that a bachelor's degree takes, on avergage, 3 years, a masters takes one ft, and a phd takes another 4. So it would have taken your dad ten years, not five, to pass these qualifications!
I think there are two options here and they depend on what the purpose of exams are. We can either decide that exams are solely to test subject knowledge or we can decide that exams should test your ability to go into a job in that subject (e.g. testing subject knowledge, ability to work under pressure, ability to work quickly etc).

If we decide that exams are solely to test subject knowledge, then I believe everyone should be entitled to extra time. They should work out the maximum possible extra time that people are entitled to and everyone should get this time (after all, the invigilators will stay till this time anyway so its not wasting their time.)

If we decide that exams should test your ability to go into a job in the relevant subject, then nobody should be entitled to extra time in my opinion. There should still be other ways to support candidates through scribes, rest breaks, bigger text on papers and similar though. An employer can must make many of these adjustments for employees by law but employees aren't required to pay people for 40 hours of work if they're only going to get 30 hours of work done.

Just my personal opinion, and I am going back and forth on this topic.
Reply 596
It really doesn't matter whether you *think* people should get extra time, as the people answering these questions g generally won't have the level of understanding or knowledge to make an informed judgement. It has been decided by people who have a much greater understanding into problems like specific learning difficulty than you do. If you don't need extra time, then just be grateful that you don't have to struggle every day. As for saying- people won't get extra time for things when they have a job- well they won't need extra tie per se, but employers are also required to make reasonable adjustments under the discrimination act 2010. I am a non dyslexic person with a degree in dyslexia.
Someone I know used to get 25% extra time in exams cause they wrote slow and then when they were in year 9 the school tested them again and they told me they wrote deliberately slow so they'd give her the extra time again and they ended up giving her 50% extra in all exams which seems ridiculous and very unfair, especially for Alevel maths exams cause they'd get an extra 45 minutes for each paper and you didn't have to write much in those exams either so I don't understand why they should get extra time on those exams as what they're doing is basically just giving the person extra thinking time which is clearly an advantage... this person always got really high marks as well
Reply 598
I'm mostly neutral, but probably leaning towards no, it isn't.
I can definitely understand why people want want the playing field leveled out. For those who are genuinely disadvantaged, I can see why they might need a little bit of extra time.
However, in the real world, you won't be given certain privileges to make up for a condition in order to, say, get a job. Therefore, I feel that if we're grading people on how well they can do in a set amount of time, that it would be unfair to give a student that extra time.
I think if we do offer extra time, we should at least let universities and employers know that they were given extra time, because realistically speaking, conditions which affect learning aren't going to be accounted for like this when it comes to employment.
Where is it that people are getting this information that you can get extra time in exams purely because you have a slow writing speed? For offical exams the process of applying for extra time in actually complex and you need to provide a full specific learning difficulty/physical difficulty report in order to recieve it. You don't just get extra time like that, you get it if you have dyslexia, dyspraxia, adhd ect, in which case, yes it is fair.

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