Bremain's contempt towards the working class and older generations.
Somehow the educated know what's good for the poor, and they end up coming to dispise them. This is what the Remain camp is demonstrating right now. It's naked, disgusting contempt for people who have interests seperate to their own.
The Remain camp are generally bourgeois as ****, and they don't seem to understand that this has put them out of touch from people who are actually directly on the ground experiencing the realities of the policies they are advocating for.
These are the builders who have been put out by Polish workers, these are people who have had to deal with Eastern European migrants and migrants from other places. They want control of the borders and they want reduced immigration because it's making their lives tough.
When you're living in London with a lovely 2 bedroom condo, you're not dealing with the same problems as those living in a small house with 8 people in Rochdale.
They are different to you, but they're still citizens and still get a vote, and your contempt will just make them resent you.
The Remain camp are generally bourgeois as ****, and they don't seem to understand that this has put them out of touch from people who are actually directly on the ground experiencing the realities of the policies they are advocating for.
These are the builders who have been put out by Polish workers, these are people who have had to deal with Eastern European migrants and migrants from other places. They want control of the borders and they want reduced immigration because it's making their lives tough.
When you're living in London with a lovely 2 bedroom condo, you're not dealing with the same problems as those living in a small house with 8 people in Rochdale.
They are different to you, but they're still citizens and still get a vote, and your contempt will just make them resent you.
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I am working class, and I fail to understand how damaging our economy, and leaving the organisation that invests in the poorest parts of the country and provides most of the rights protecting the poorest and most vulnerable, while giving full power to a Conservative government that' in the process of privatising our services and leaving us to rot, is going to benefit me.
Unless you studied media at university, share a flat with another equally insufferable little rat and work in a public sector job you're not intelligent
Original post by JordanL_
I am working class, and I fail to understand how damaging our economy, and leaving the organisation that invests in the poorest parts of the country and provides most of the rights protecting the poorest and most vulnerable, while giving full power to a Conservative government that' in the process of privatising our services and leaving us to rot, is going to benefit me.
I'm sorry, WHAT?!
If anything the EU has ****ed them over, hence why such a large proportion of them have had enough and voted out.
Such is the paradox of a working class individual voting for a bureaucratic system such as the EU.
(edited 7 years ago)
Just go on the Owen Jones article written today on the guardian website and read some of the comments, the utter contempt is clear.Some people are quite levelheaded however many are calling the leavers idiots. They don't understand that they are everything that is wrong with the modern day Labour Party. Labour Dosent need those types it needs to beg and grovel to its working class roots and damn well admit it's wrongdoings. Instead, it will continue to pander to the mertro liberal elite and champagne socialists.
Original post by The Roast
I'm sorry, WHAT?!
If anything the EU has ****ed them over, hence why such a large proportion of them have had enough and voted out.
Such is the paradox of a working class individual voting for a bureaucratic system such as the EU.
If anything the EU has ****ed them over, hence why such a large proportion of them have had enough and voted out.
Such is the paradox of a working class individual voting for a bureaucratic system such as the EU.
I wouldn't bet on the Tories matching the EU Regional Development Funds for deprived areas.
Original post by The Roast
I'm sorry, WHAT?!
If anything the EU has ****ed them over, hence why such a large proportion of them have had enough and voted out.
Such is the paradox of a working class individual voting for a bureaucratic system such as the EU.
If anything the EU has ****ed them over, hence why such a large proportion of them have had enough and voted out.
Such is the paradox of a working class individual voting for a bureaucratic system such as the EU.
Maybe you could explain how they've been ****ed over?
I'm fairly sure the right to regular breaks, guaranteed holidays, maternity leave, pay equality, product refunds, so on exist purely to benefit workers. Unless you think businesses like wasting money?
I just rly hope I can buy Lindor in shops. 
Original post by neal95
Just go on the Owen Jones article written today on the guardian website and read some of the comments, the utter contempt is clear.Some people are quite levelheaded however many are calling the leavers idiots. They don't understand that they are everything that is wrong with the modern day Labour Party. Labour Dosent need those types it needs to beg and grovel to its working class roots and damn well admit it's wrongdoings. Instead, it will continue to pander to the mertro liberal elite and champagne socialists.
I'm working class and I have voted remain after thinking about the potential damage voting leave would do to the economy. It was a hard decision after all, however I share the same feelings as my fellow working class people.
They're communities have been abounded by our government and having Cameron and Osbourn scaring people not to vote leave was actually a chance for the working class person to do the total opposite and vote leave. Working class people were simply fed up with the years of austerity and also with mass immigration. This government doesn't care about the poorest in society they bail out banks but impose austerity on people that haven't caused anything.
Original post by Danny the Geezer
I just rly hope I can buy Lindor in shops.
The internet exists.
Original post by Jee1
I'm working class and I have voted remain after thinking about the potential damage voting leave would do to the economy. It was a hard decision after all, however I share the same feelings as my fellow working class people.
They're communities have been abounded by our government and having Cameron and Osbourn scaring people not to vote leave was actually a chance for the working class person to do the total opposite and vote leave. Working class people were simply fed up with the years of austerity and also with mass immigration. This government doesn't care about the poorest in society they bail out banks but impose austerity on people that haven't caused anything.
They're communities have been abounded by our government and having Cameron and Osbourn scaring people not to vote leave was actually a chance for the working class person to do the total opposite and vote leave. Working class people were simply fed up with the years of austerity and also with mass immigration. This government doesn't care about the poorest in society they bail out banks but impose austerity on people that haven't caused anything.
Original post by JordanL_
Maybe you could explain how they've been ****ed over?
I'm fairly sure the right to regular breaks, guaranteed holidays, maternity leave, pay equality, product refunds, so on exist purely to benefit workers. Unless you think businesses like wasting money?
I'm fairly sure the right to regular breaks, guaranteed holidays, maternity leave, pay equality, product refunds, so on exist purely to benefit workers. Unless you think businesses like wasting money?
Jee1 has provided us with a few examples.
Original post by The Roast
Somehow the educated know what's good for the poor, and they end up coming to dispise them. This is what the Remain camp is demonstrating right now. It's naked, disgusting contempt for people who have interests seperate to their own.
The Remain camp are generally bourgeois as ****, and they don't seem to understand that this has put them out of touch from people who are actually directly on the ground experiencing the realities of the policies they are advocating for.
These are the builders who have been put out by Polish workers, these are people who have had to deal with Eastern European migrants and migrants from other places. They want control of the borders and they want reduced immigration because it's making their lives tough.
When you're living in London with a lovely 2 bedroom condo, you're not dealing with the same problems as those living in a small house with 8 people in Rochdale.
They are different to you, but they're still citizens and still get a vote, and your contempt will just make them resent you.
The Remain camp are generally bourgeois as ****, and they don't seem to understand that this has put them out of touch from people who are actually directly on the ground experiencing the realities of the policies they are advocating for.
These are the builders who have been put out by Polish workers, these are people who have had to deal with Eastern European migrants and migrants from other places. They want control of the borders and they want reduced immigration because it's making their lives tough.
When you're living in London with a lovely 2 bedroom condo, you're not dealing with the same problems as those living in a small house with 8 people in Rochdale.
They are different to you, but they're still citizens and still get a vote, and your contempt will just make them resent you.
Great post.
Migration hits the working classes hardest.
Public services and things like social housing, welfare and jobs which are otherwise occupied by an immigrant (so blue collar industry jobs).
These middle-class left-leaners don't see poverty at the coal face. They drive big cars so they don't have to get a bus to work crowded with immigrants going to factories to work themselves then going home to collect their children from the local comprehensive while you take a 30 minute detour because you can't send your kid to the same local comprehensive because someone from Poland or Lithuiania took their place.
Original post by Jee1
I'm working class and I have voted remain after thinking about the potential damage voting leave would do to the economy. It was a hard decision after all, however I share the same feelings as my fellow working class people.
They're communities have been abounded by our government and having Cameron and Osbourn scaring people not to vote leave was actually a chance for the working class person to do the total opposite and vote leave. Working class people were simply fed up with the years of austerity and also with mass immigration. This government doesn't care about the poorest in society they bail out banks but impose austerity on people that haven't caused anything.
They're communities have been abounded by our government and having Cameron and Osbourn scaring people not to vote leave was actually a chance for the working class person to do the total opposite and vote leave. Working class people were simply fed up with the years of austerity and also with mass immigration. This government doesn't care about the poorest in society they bail out banks but impose austerity on people that haven't caused anything.
But what does this have to do with the EU? OUR GOVERNMENT imposes austerity and takes money away from public services, while giving tax cuts to the rich. The EU, meanwhile, invests heavily in the poorest parts of the country. Why would anyone vote out of the EU to spite the government? Does anyone really think that the Tories will have a change of heart and start funding welfare and healthcare properly after seeing that the working class are completely unwilling to hold them accountable? The message people have sent is "we don't like what you're doing, but you can keep doing it, because we'll keep punishing everyone except the people responsible."
Original post by The Roast
Jee1 has provided us with a few examples.
Yeah but I'm curious about your thoughts.
Original post by Danny the Geezer
Great post.
Migration hits the working classes hardest.
Public services and things like social housing, welfare and jobs which are otherwise occupied by an immigrant (so blue collar industry jobs).
These middle-class left-leaners don't see poverty at the coal face. They drive big cars so they don't have to get a bus to work crowded with immigrants going to factories to work themselves then going home to collect their children from the local comprehensive while you take a 30 minute detour because you can't send your kid to the same local comprehensive because someone from Poland or Lithuiania took their place.
Migration hits the working classes hardest.
Public services and things like social housing, welfare and jobs which are otherwise occupied by an immigrant (so blue collar industry jobs).
These middle-class left-leaners don't see poverty at the coal face. They drive big cars so they don't have to get a bus to work crowded with immigrants going to factories to work themselves then going home to collect their children from the local comprehensive while you take a 30 minute detour because you can't send your kid to the same local comprehensive because someone from Poland or Lithuiania took their place.
EU immigrants paid in tax 34% more than they took in welfare and services. Non-EU immigrants paid about 2% more than they took out, and British natives were a net taker. EU immigrants were keeping our services alive. It's our own government taking all that money they bring in and refusing to spend it where it's needed, and it's horribly naive to think that's going to change now.
It also completely ignores the fact that most of our immigrants we DO have control over, and they bring in 30% less to the economy and 10% less likely to be educated. We've destroyed 40 years of progress to get rid of the immigrants keeping us afloat, when we could have just... took control of the immigration that we already control.
Original post by The Roast
When you're living in London with a lovely 2 bedroom condo, you're not dealing with the same problems as those living in a small house with 8 people in Rochdale.
u.
When you're living in London with a lovely 2 bedroom condo, you're not dealing with the same problems as those living in a small house with 8 people in Rochdale.
u.
If you have 8 people living in one house and you can't afford anything else, then you are doing something very wrong.
It's not that I view them with contempt or despise them, far from it. It's just that I think thing they put to much on the benefits of leaving the EU. Take Sunderland, the first place to vote leave and a city I know well. It has serious problems with unemployment, low wages and poverty. People blame migrants for taking their jobs and their houses.
But here's the kicker: only 2-3% of the Sunderland population were not born in the UK. They are not really relevant to Sunderland's economy or its problems yet receive the brunt of the blame. Sunderland's economic problems aren't down to Polish builders, they are related to the failure of the region to overcome the collapse of heavy industry. I hate to think what state the area would be in without the inward investment the EU has brought. When we leave the EU and don't have the current migration arrangements, I don't see them being anything better off. They may even be worse off if Nissan, the city's most important employer, make the rumoured cutbacks.
But here's the kicker: only 2-3% of the Sunderland population were not born in the UK. They are not really relevant to Sunderland's economy or its problems yet receive the brunt of the blame. Sunderland's economic problems aren't down to Polish builders, they are related to the failure of the region to overcome the collapse of heavy industry. I hate to think what state the area would be in without the inward investment the EU has brought. When we leave the EU and don't have the current migration arrangements, I don't see them being anything better off. They may even be worse off if Nissan, the city's most important employer, make the rumoured cutbacks.
Original post by Danny the Geezer
Great post.
Migration hits the working classes hardest.
Public services and things like social housing, welfare and jobs which are otherwise occupied by an immigrant (so blue collar industry jobs).
These middle-class left-leaners don't see poverty at the coal face. They drive big cars so they don't have to get a bus to work crowded with immigrants going to factories to work themselves then going home to collect their children from the local comprehensive while you take a 30 minute detour because you can't send your kid to the same local comprehensive because someone from Poland or Lithuiania took their place.
Migration hits the working classes hardest.
Public services and things like social housing, welfare and jobs which are otherwise occupied by an immigrant (so blue collar industry jobs).
These middle-class left-leaners don't see poverty at the coal face. They drive big cars so they don't have to get a bus to work crowded with immigrants going to factories to work themselves then going home to collect their children from the local comprehensive while you take a 30 minute detour because you can't send your kid to the same local comprehensive because someone from Poland or Lithuiania took their place.
75% of Boston voted Leave. It's the highest score for Leave. Boston is also one of the cities with the highest proportion of immigrants from Eastern Europe. Go figure.
Original post by JordanL_
EU immigrants paid in tax 34% more than they took in welfare and services.
Not all of them. Make a distinction between French and German traders and Polish builders.
Original post by JordanL_
EU immigrants were keeping our services alive.
Immigrants haven't left yet.
Original post by The Roast
These are the builders who have been put out by Polish workers, these are people who have had to deal with Eastern European migrants and migrants from other places.
These are the builders who have been put out by Polish workers, these are people who have had to deal with Eastern European migrants and migrants from other places.
Or these are the old white people that really didn't like immigrants to begin with in areas of below average immigration.
(edited 7 years ago)
Original post by Josb
Not all of them. Make a distinction between French and German traders and Polish builders.
Why? It's an average, and tt's not remotely relevant. A bigger proportion of immigrants from the EU - out of our control - are educated, and they contribute a ridiculous amount more. I don't understand why you'd prefer to go to a system where we take in fewer educated people, people who contribute less, and at the cost of a 40 year union, when we could have just took control of non-EU immigration. What outcome are you actually expecting? Why would you favour this over simply reducing non-EU immigration so that it's better for us? It doesn't make sense.
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