Why are old people (65+) even allowed to vote

There is quite a strong correlation between wage levels and likelihood of voting for leave. Should we also call into question whether people who earn below £14/hour should allowed to vote?



http://www.resolutionfoundation.org/media/blog/the-referendum-living-standards-and-inequality/

I honestly refuse to believe that most people ages 18-25 are actually swayed by what their parents/lecturers say. No more so that everyone else is by what the politicians say, anyhow.

As for being swayed by your environment growing up, that doesn't change as you get older. Hence why we're seeing such a generational divide here - older people grew up in an isolationist world that no longer exists. Younger people have always been in the EU and don't have any identity qualms with it.

For the last time, I do not want people to vote for what they think is best for me. I am perfectly capable of making that decision myself.

You may aswell be a 14 year old screaming "i know whats best!", when you don't, and only when you are older will you realise that. Britain has not been isolationist for hundreds of years, if ever. Not being in a supercontinent in which you've no influence of the policies you are governed by, is not isolationist at all. We will still trade, still have people coming here, still have people going over there, just as we have done for hundreds of years prior to the EU. Only, we get to decide our own laws by a government which serves the people and can be voted out by our people. We don't have that power over an EU government. You are outraged by over 65's deciding your future, even though you get to vote, or will do shortly. Why aren't you similarly outraged over an unanswerable EU bureaucracy in which you'll NEVER get to see your opinion represented, you'll NEVER have a vote on their policies, you'll never have any power at all? Your worldview is inconsistent to the point of absurdity. Is there one good argument for remaining in the EU that you have, or is it entirely emotional and ideological fluff??

For the record, I voted remain. My borough overall voted slightly in favour of remain.

And yes, we've never been "isolationist" in an extreme since in the last hundred years or so (not since before the Empire anyway). What I mean is, the world has shrunk a lot since package holidays in the 70s-80s and the internet in the 90s. Those who are 65+ did experience some of that, yes, but they're still the age bracket that's overwhelmingly more likely to visit a railway town for a holiday rather than France.

Why am I not outraged over EU beuarocracy is harder to explain. Mainly its because I don't actually have a problem with beaurocracy (other than spelling) in general but that's a separate issue. Other than that, it's probably because we do elect out MEPs same as our MPs. You might as well claim that you don't get representation in Westminster as that you don't get in in Brussels. Also, England has almost 10 times more civil servants than the entire EU, so it's hardly less red tape (which we'll mostly still have to follow if it refers to product standards).

those stats are wrong - they're poll results about predicted turnout, the actual turnout for 18-25 was 43%

And you can't really blame young people for not voting as much, because we're constantly outvoted by old people that we don't sympathise with. I don't like politicians, but at least some of them are closer to my age than a lot of the electorate! Its a self-feeding cycle, and yes, the way out is for youth turnout to improve, but its difficult to when the political process is already so backwards.

The reason we're pissed off is that we're the future, and yet you don't seem to think we should have any say in it.

Honestly, if you're a retired 70 yeal old, why would you even vote on this? How does this affect you? Because the only possible impact I can see is the £80bn lost in pension funds so far.

Well it's tough luck. What is done is done. There's no point moaning about it.

They've paid taxes for around 40 years, how much have you paid?

That's not wise at all, it is arrogant and ignorant.
These are your mothers and fathers who have life experience, who love their children and want to do the best for them, using the knowledge and the experience that they have in advantage of us. You are implying that they do not know what we do, when in actual fact they know alot more. You may not grasp it, but it is incredibly easy to manipulate young people, especially those who have no life experience outside of 20 years schooling, during which time we are the putty for professors and ideology of the ruling class who guide the curriculum, and decide what ideas we are exposed to. What you propose is not only ignorant and arrogant but incredibly dangerous and antithetical to a liberal, democratic society.

Moaning won't solve much. A lot of people on this forum are being extremely childish. I know you're upset but we need to look forward instead of looking backwards.

How about they probably have a greater understanding of economics and politics then you.
They've had to put up with EU s*** for way longer than you,
Someone who is 65 could live another 30 years and still be affected
They're most likely to have worked and paid taxes the past 40 years whilst all someone at uni has ever done is take from the system.
So yes, they should be allowed to vote and people like you should not.

if your view of a liberal, democratic society is one conducted excluding those with only "20 years of schooling" from the vote, then I have some news for you

How dare you advocate the banning of our ex serviceman doctors civil servants house builders bankers labourers etc from voting. All the young care about is Erasmus funding and visa free travel #firstworldproblems

You don't seem to have a response. You are a prime example of the failures of our education system; brainwashed to be a fascist in liberal clothing.
What you are proposing is absolutely absurd - get the most ignorant people with the least life experience to make all of the decisions and disallow the vote to anyone else. Can't you see how dangerously brainwashed you are, how obscenely self entitled you are? How much of an absolute tool you are for the people who 'educated' you and used media to brainwash you for all of your very short life? Do you have one good argument for staying in the EU? No, you do not.