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People who claim Brexiters are less intelligent than Bremainers...

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Original post by richpanda
You usually start with 'people with a university degree are more likely to vote remain'. This is 2016. Anyone who can get 2 D grades at A level can get in to some university, albeit not often a quality university.

Let's take Kerry and James. Kerry is 22, and has just received her 2.2 in American Studies from the University of Wolverhampton. She voted remain because she wants to 'experience life' in Europe, and being in the EU will mean that she won't have to apply for a visa or pay roaming charges when she's on holiday before returning to work in a call centre.

James is also 22 and is the co-owner of a building contracting company that he started when he was 19. He voted leave because cheap migrant workers undercut British workers, and he is also worried about how the EU is becoming more authoritarian, and Turkey potentially joining it. He owns a home, has no debt and is called a racist by people online.

Still think a degree makes you more intelligent.



Lastly, the idea that Leave voters aren't just uneducated in general, but are also uneducated on the referendum. Because surely if they were educated, they'd vote remain, right? Right?.

Us working and even lower middle class people are fed up of being told what to do, how we're stupid and uneducated. Whilst you're sitting drinking coffee and eating artisan bread and reading the Guardian, we see nothing of benefit from the EU.


Right.. using two very different and one off (biased) examples shows how intelligent you are.

Curiously, if James is a business owner, why would he be against paying lower wages? Would increase his profit margins.
My two most intelligent friends voted Leave. One is a prize-winning Old Etonian with a first-class degree in history from Oxford and he spends a lot of time on the continent. The other is a barrister at a top three set and BCL graduate who is also a fluent German speaker and a Wagner fanatic.

Then again, they're both sort-of upper-class chaps, quite worldly and well-travelled (including outside Europe) so they don't have that desperate insecurity that so many middle-class Brits have where their parochial "little European" identity is how they as a boring idiot from outer Croydon or St Albans gets to feel sophisticated.
Reply 22
Original post by Samiz
Sussex

I voted remain too.
Btw rankings don't really mean much, but good jub :biggrin:
Reply 23
Original post by Zerforax
Right.. using two very different and one off (biased) examples shows how intelligent you are.

Curiously, if James is a business owner, why would he be against paying lower wages? Would increase his profit margins.


He wants to have British workers, but can't compete against other businesses who are using £3 per hour Eastern Europeans.
If anything, James would employ cheaper labour, because it will mean that he would have more money left for himself at the end of the day. So, I don't really follow your logic.

No one's saying that Leave voters are uneducated, but someone on here already showed a graph, which shows a correlation between educational level, and one's voting preferences, with those voting to remain being more likely to be better educated than those voting in favour of leaving.
Original post by richpanda
He wants to have British workers, but can't compete against other businesses who are using £3 per hour Eastern Europeans.


Does made up James also want world peace? :rolleyes:
Reply 26
Original post by Thutmose-III
My two most intelligent friends voted Leave. One is a prize-winning Old Etonian with a first-class degree in history from Oxford and he spends a lot of time on the continent. The other is a barrister at a top three set and BCL graduate who is also a fluent German speaker and a Wagner fanatic.

Then again, they're both sort-of upper-class chaps, quite worldly and well-travelled (including outside Europe) so they don't have that desperate insecurity that so many middle-class Brits have where their parochial "little European" identity is how they as a boring idiot from outer Croydon or St Albans gets to feel sophisticated.


I echo the idea you mentioned in the last sentence.
My two most intelligent friends (not just most intelligent, but most intelligent by far) voted Leave. One is an art dealer who spends a lot of time on the continent and he has a first-class history degree from Oxford. The other is a barrister at a top set and a BCL graduate who is a fluent German (and Latin, for what it's worth) speaker and Wagner fanatic who has spent a lot of time in Germany.

They both came to the same conclusions I did. They're both Tories (the former a more aristocratic paternalist one nation Tory, the other a Thatcherite Tory). I'm a socialist. The barrister and I are both immigrants of a sort (to the UK from another anglosphere country), the other guy's family has been here since the Norman conquest. All three of us voted on the basis of lost sovereignty and the democratic deficit in Europe

For your average, boring middle or lower-middle class person in outer Croydon or St Albans, their "little European" identity is how they get to feel sophisticated and worldly. It's pretty laughable, but thems the breaks.
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Reply 28
Original post by Zerforax
Does made up James also want world peace? :rolleyes:


Yes
Reply 29
theres a difference between being educated at school and having good grades and that sort of intelligence

vs. the kind of intelligence that tells you to make important decisions which require common sense, sharp instinct and understanding, and also patience

for me personally, i think a lot of leave voters lacked common sense and true understanding of the political climate of the world... something they haven't researched for themselves or really thought about it, something they've just left up to biased campaigners like farage and johnson to inform them on

people forget there's different types of "educated" people. there's the people like Samiz up there who's getting amazing grades but happens to have a made fatally wrong decision when it came to this referendum, call me up my own arse and opinionated, but anybody who did vote leave, voted wrong and hasn't thought about the impact of their decision on generations of people, most of all themselves
Reply 30
Original post by GUMI
I voted remain too.
Btw rankings don't really mean much, but good jub :biggrin:

True but thank you!
Reply 31
Original post by Lord Gaben
If anything, James would employ cheaper labour, because it will mean that he would have more money left for himself at the end of the day. So, I don't really follow your logic.

No one's saying that Leave voters are uneducated, but someone on here already showed a graph, which shows a correlation between educational level, and one's voting preferences, with those voting to remain being more likely to be better educated than those voting in favour of leaving.


Read post 27 for the first bit. Secondly, it's clear that you haven't read my OP. Being 'better educated' does not mean more intelligent.
Reply 32
Original post by AverageExcellence
I got 3 As at A level, 2.1 From top 10 university and a Masters from a Top 5 university, i voted leave. Again this isn't a circle jerk but the insinuation that somebody who has mindlessly read the guardian and believes they must be more intelligent than their leave counterpart is mistaken.


so which newspaper did you read
Reply 33
Original post by 1 8 13 20 42
I got 4 A*s at A level and voted leave
Bit of a brag but I am sick of people trying to insinuate I must be stupid by extension..


are you also white and privileged?
Reply 34
Original post by sorry13
so which newspaper did you read


Yawn salty remainer.
Reply 35
Original post by sorry13
theres a difference between being educated at school and having good grades and that sort of intelligence

vs. the kind of intelligence that tells you to make important decisions which require common sense, sharp instinct and understanding, and also patience

for me personally, i think a lot of leave voters lacked common sense and true understanding of the political climate of the world... something they haven't researched for themselves or really thought about it, something they've just left up to biased campaigners like farage and johnson to inform them on

people forget there's different types of "educated" people. there's the people like Samiz up there who's getting amazing grades but happens to have a made fatally wrong decision when it came to this referendum, call me up my own arse and opinionated, but anybody who did vote leave, voted wrong and hasn't thought about the impact of their decision on generations of people, most of all themselves


There's no such thing as a 'wrong vote' you fool. You're quite clearly unintelligent from your grammatical ability. People can't have 'voted wrong'. They can have 'voted wrongly', but even that sounds like something a 7 year old would say.
Original post by richpanda
Read post 27 for the first bit. Secondly, it's clear that you haven't read my OP. Being 'better educated' does not mean more intelligent.


No one's allowed to work for £3 an hour. It's against the law.
Reply 37
Original post by sorry13
Yawn mindlessly idiotic leaver.


It's bigoted people like you, who are quick to generalize, who actually helped the leave campaign to win. Most remainers I've came across on here have been kind and open minded - I'm sorry that you had to have this person on your side.
Reply 38
Original post by sorry13
are you also white and privileged?


I am white
Took the buzzfeed privilege test and got like 40 lol
My family has been below poverty line frequently and we do not own the house we live in.
There are some Brexiters who are using current events as an excuse to go around and tell people who have been in the UK for generations to go back to their country. Frankly it's disgusting. From what I've seen with the Brexiters here, a lot of them are fine with immigration as long as its controlled and its productive which is a fair point. To go onto another level and be a racist douche however, just makes all the nice Brexiters look bad.

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