Why England are rubbish at football tournaments

True but Iceland do not have a team of well paid players

Although wages in England are astronomical compared to Geramany for example

But which England players are really paid crazy sums by football standards? Sterling and Rooney are probably the only two paid huge amounts. Germany still have players like Ozil, Muller, Schweinsteiger. Spain, Italy, France and Germany would be the same


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I've always said on here and off what this man quan just said:



Oi stop stealing everything I've ever said about English football like I never said it yea. I even quoted you saying this with a link to an article and heard crickets.

@Rk2k14 say something. It's not just me saying it. Read the bold.


And the bold bit would get me e-slaughtered on here but apparently it's a popular theory besides me saying it.

The fact that so many players got into the squad by virtue of the club they play for as opposed to form/merit.

Who can you really apply that to though?

Nobody questioned Hart's selection pre tournament. Forster there on merit
Clyne, Walker, Smalling, Cahill, Rose, Bertrand all there on merit
Stones there due to lack of alternatives
Dier, Alli, Milner, Lallana, Barkley all there on merit
Sterling there due to lack of alternatives
Kane, Rashford, Vardy, Sturridge all there on merit

Which leaves Rooney, Wilshere and Henderson. Or 10% of the squad.

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I swear Milner is still paid pretty handsomely (considering his previous club was Man City), and Wilshere I believe is already on 90k despite playing just twice for Arsenal last season. Vardy only recently "stole" a 100k contract from Leicester so he wasn't focused on the Euros at all (barring that 1 goal)

Big club bias at work and even Woy submits to it. Not picking PL winner Albrighton when he should have done since October (when Sterling started to drop off). Not even considering the likes of James Tomkins, Ryan Shawcross or even Scott Dann despite their club form.
When some guy who plays for Cardiff City gets further in a major tournament than a team with several Spurs and Liverpool players you know the manager dun goofed.
(oh, and Charlton and MK Dons and Reading also boast players in the QFs of this Euros. Shocking)

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What do you guys think?

Clubs are considered way more important than the national team.
Rather go on a far east tour to make more £.
Too many foreign players.

England will always be **** so just forget it. Dont blame the big clubs because we've got plenty of homegrown talent, more than many other countries.

The problem is England chooses all the players they're expected to, whether based on what club they play for or pressure from the media/fans.

And then don't know how to fit them all into a team that's plays well. Some players just seem like they're thrown into the line up with no idea of how they fit into the system or ignoring the fact another player could fill that role much better.

I think that you have put the reasons in a nutshell very well. However there are another ones in my opinion:

In Premier League, the highest football league in England, there are just playing toooo many foreigners for the teams in it. They have still a rate of foreigners over 70%! most of them are average, that is not only a waste of money, but also a waste for the talents who might become good players, if they get the chances....

Yep, that is the biggest problem. Good to know that I am not the only one who has this view.

Plenty of homegrown talent is just useless when most of them are not or hardly playing in their clubs. The fact that the premier league has the greatest income in whole europe and important persons in the background who are spending money to enforce teams by (good) foreign players changes this situation not for better.