Brexit: China wants UK trade deal ASAP, frustrated with EU's failure to conclude one

A free trade deal with China would be a mistake. I think that such deals should only be made with countries on a similar level of development.

Typical TSR

Still, there is a chance that English isn't your first language (you seem pretty triggered by the suggestion that China doesn't have a monopoly over the high-tech industries, so perhaps you are Chinese), so there might be a simple misunderstanding. I'll post the full conversation here, in case that helps clear it up

generallee: Hard to find anything (manufactured) nowadays that wasn't made in China...
Mathemagicien: Look at high tech/high quality goods, they often come from Germany and the US
Sebastian Bartlett: You forget the largest producers of high tech products, South Korea, Japan oh and you guessed it China.
Mathemagicien: You forget that that wasn't meant to be an exhaustive list. But anyway, it looks like some people disagree with you. http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/c...h-exports.html ranks top high tech exporters in this order: China, Germany, US, Singapore, South Korea, France, Japan
Sebastian Bartlett: That link actually proves me right, ranks China as number 1.
Mathemagicien: The link proves you wrong, ranking South Korea and Japan lower down than Germany and the US
Sebastian Bartlett: Love how you ignore the original comment you commented on clearly aimed at discrediting his post about China being dominant. I then mentioned the largest producers which include SK and Japan. Stop trying to beat around the bush, proved you wrong, get over it..

I wanted Hilary Benn, but alas, he chickened out.

Tbh, I think the referendum shows clearly why Corbyn isn't up to it - he's a Leaver, he's always been a Leaver and he still is a Leaver. Why the hell didn't he say so then? If he had an ounce of real guts he would have done. Instead, we were treated to the farce that he was supposedly for Remain, but utter silence from him at nearly every important stage. He's popped up after the result for example to show his opposition to racism and immigrant-bashing, but not to my knowledge during it. He makes tweets and says the odd thing, but generally he hates appearing in the media, he dislikes interviews and he won't participate in most things he is invited to. Do you not think that as a minimum he should (a) be honest about his views and (b) as a basic for a modern leader, engage with the media?

I'm sure he's a decent guy (although it's clear that at times he is still engaged in SWP-style Trot organising and the sneaky internal manipulations that go with that) but he isn't the leader of a national party of opposition, he's a factionalist and he represents a small element, albeit, a well organised one via social media and the disastrous 'instant voting membership for £3' policy sufficient to get him in against the lacklustre people who stood against him.

However, I agree that Labour generally is in disarray and suffering from a chronic lack of leadership across the board, as we saw with Benn and Umunna. The after-effects of cynicism around Blair are also keeping supporters away and potential leaders below the parapet.

The UK should take every opportunity that the EU held it back from. If it does so, it could really succeed. If it doesn't, it'll crash and burn. This is very important stuff.

The UK should take the opportunity to have its market flooded with cheap chinese goods created by people working for £0.5 an hour. If this idiotic idea actually happened, then your standard tory line of 'colored people take muh job' would actually happen. You are so ignorant that you don't even know what you are cheering for.

The UK should take the opportunity to have its market flooded with cheap chinese goods created by people working for £0.5 an hour. If this idiotic idea actually happened, then your standard tory line of 'colored people take muh job' would actually happen. You are so ignorant that you don't even know what you are cheering for.

China want a trade deal, New Zealand want to work and back us, Australia is happy to plan a future of trading with us, Canada has warmly welcomed talks for a trade deal, the day after brexit there were calls from South Korea pressing for us to instantly enter talks. The USA have expressed their commitment to getting a trade deal with us, we've just entered talks with India, this is huge amazing stuff. The U.K. Is seen as such a great country around the world but yet we are/were belittled by the EU, when they see the stakes on the table they will realize they pushed us too far. I can't wait till Article 50 is envoked so we can formally Negociate with our long time friends.

China want a trade deal, New Zealand want to work and back us, Australia is happy to plan a future of trading with us, Canada has warmly welcomed talks for a trade deal, the day after brexit there were calls from South Korea pressing for us to instantly enter talks. The USA have expressed their commitment to getting a trade deal with us, we've just entered talks with India, this is huge amazing stuff. The U.K. Is seen as such a great country around the world but yet we are/were belittled by the EU, when they see the stakes on the table they will realize they pushed us too far. I can't wait till Article 50 is envoked so we can formally Negociate with our long time friends.

It really bemuses me when people write stuff like this.

The point is not whether the UK will make deals with other countries. Of course it will, and no one said otherwise (who is partly qualified at least).

The whole point is the quality of the trade deals that the UK will be able to secure. It may be a 'great' country to you, and around the world indeed, but its bargaining powers pales significantly to that of the EU. Why? Because the EU, collectively, is much, much, much larger, has much more population and it would be suicide for any country not to trade with it.

The UK, on the other hand, whilst still powerful, is not exactly the end all be all like the EU, and securing highly beneficial trade deals is not just difficult, but very much unlikely.

China want a trade deal, New Zealand want to work and back us, Australia is happy to plan a future of trading with us, Canada has warmly welcomed talks for a trade deal, the day after brexit there were calls from South Korea pressing for us to instantly enter talks. The USA have expressed their commitment to getting a trade deal with us, we've just entered talks with India, this is huge amazing stuff. The U.K. Is seen as such a great country around the world but yet we are/were belittled by the EU, when they see the stakes on the table they will realize they pushed us too far. I can't wait till Article 50 is envoked so we can formally Negociate with our long time friends.

Because the EU, collectively, is much, much, much larger, has much more population and it would be suicide for any country not to trade with it.

It really bemuses me when people write stuff like this.

The point is not whether the UK will make deals with other countries. Of course it will, and no one said otherwise (who is partly qualified at least).

The whole point is the quality of the trade deals that the UK will be able to secure. It may be a 'great' country to you, and around the world indeed, but its bargaining powers pales significantly to that of the EU. Why? Because the EU, collectively, is much, much, much larger, has much more population and it would be suicide for any country not to trade with it.

The UK, on the other hand, whilst still powerful, is not exactly the end all be all like the EU, and securing highly beneficial trade deals is not just difficult, but very much unlikely.

if the EU had made a trade deal with China in 2007 we'd have a huge influence in what they do. Not to mention the fact that if we were allowed to impose tariffs we could've saved our steel industry. The EU is seen as a joke by the USA, by non-EU European countries, by China, by Asia and by the Middle East, and increasingly by EU countries.

When we activate article 50 we start the clock ticking and according to the EU that means going from member to third country status.

We are unlikely to have a huge influence on China.

Tariffs wouldnt have saved the steel industry. The main problemisnt Chiense steel ist pensions.

The EU is not a joke its an easy way to tap into a market of 450m people.

When we activate article 50 we start the clock ticking and according to the EU that means going from member to third country status.

We are unlikely to have a huge influence on China.

Tariffs wouldnt have saved the steel industry. The main problemisnt Chiense steel ist pensions.

The EU is not a joke its an easy way to tap into a market of 450m people.

I wouldn't say third country, that'd be like Russia, we'd be like a second country like Switzerland.

We could've, not anymore though.

Pensions is one of the problems that's arisen because of the Chinese steel industry which has just made it impossible for other markets to compete. If we had tariffs on Chinese steel, UK steel would still be selling, these companies would be in profit and pensions would be paid!

The amount of red tape and hassle you have to go through doesn't make it easy. The idea of it and how you present makes you think how could you go wrong… well just ask China or the USA on that one

Third country is what the Trade commissioner says.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36678222

We wouldnt be like switzerland unless we negotiated a trade deal and became part of the EEA, which will inbolve pating the EU billions and allowing free movement of people, as Swutzerland is required to do.

Pensions has arisone as a problem because we are living longer. nothing to do with Chinese steel.

Thats why they invest and exprort billions of 3s worth of goods and services. Very lol. Thats why a lot of companies locate their Euro HQ's here becayse we are in the single market. Thats why all the Tata steel bids were pilled, because we will be outside.

We'll get there.

Short-term pain, long-term gains.

Pain yes, but nobody know how much and how long.

Its a guess whether there will be long term gains.