African lion vs Grizzly Bear

Ohh? My bad...Thought you were talking about xenosmilus the extinct big cat:


As for the alien, its fictional bro, your guess is as good as anyones. lol

Fiction > Reality

So alien > Lion

Yeah attacking that alien thing is like a one way kamikaze, you'd need a long range weapon against them.

Predator > Alien

Cool,

This is only true when the size is significant, tigers or bears are not significantly bigger than lions, a rhino is, a elephant is, a hippo is, these animals are 10 x bigger in weight. A bear is at best twice as bigger, this is not significant, lions are still just as tall, can be even longer, bears are just heavier in the lower half ...humans have beaten other humans twice to even 3x there own weight.



No, siberian tigers are not heavier, did you read the latest consensus by the worlds only siberian tiger conservationist team? They are only 173 kg. and explain how weight transfers into more skill? So if you eat alot you magically are bestowed boxing experience? You are quite out there with your post, none of them are logical or even coherent.




Thousands? lol there isnt even 20 times a tiger has killed a lion on record, lets see you just post 20 in a row...thats not asking for much since I showed more than 50, have the credibility like I showed in the asiatic lion thread, like a photo of the combatants and the source, we only can go of of things that are credible, not hear say or secondary, thats how modern science works.




No, no vice versa...bears and tigers do not have manes, and the lion attacking first is not the lions problem, its the animal hes attacking problems.



These are their basic modem, no one can change this, rarity's are not the normal, we go off of what they would do per average, again not my fault bears and tigers are not as possesive, controling and aggressive as a lion usually is when it comes to food, mating, territory and protecting the cubs. Bears/tigers only territory and mating, lions have more aggressive tendency's.



Nature is not fair. And even if a polar bear did ambush a lion, it can only kill a lioness easily, not the male who is still protected by the lion. There are no instances of big maned lions being killed by the neck passed 10 if so show it, for other animals like tigers, 100's. This shows the mane is not easy to get pass, no one is saying its impenetrable but the experts have spoken on the mane, and it is his chief attribute that makes him so formidable.



I never said the lion is unbeatable, where? I already showed the link that bears have killed lions, its not even 1/3rd as much times as lions have killed bears, plus velox the polar bearesss, killed two lions, yet doesnt mentioned if they were maned. Big difference.



No there is 100% truth here, this is what we call evidence, you not excepting it is just you in denial. Much like your butt-hurtness of the mane thread, you disliked it so bad you wanted it erased, lol hwy exactly? Because it goes against your bias views? no...these facts arent going any where.




These are things you have yet to prove. Making up false assumptions and empty opinions is not what science is about. You need to provide evidence, and when you do, then we can dissect it, analyze it and weigh if it is credible and then see if it matches the opposing evidence. You brought zero, just hot air and rants. Tigers are similar but not the same as lions, they do not have:

- A mane
- A social structure that amplify's fighting skill
- Is wired more aggressive, possessive and dominant
- Is not as tall, doesnt posses the same muscularity and built
- Does not have any evidence to back up any hunting prowess over the lion





Again, there is an answer, you just dont want to accept it, you dont need thousands, you just need one having a significant amount more than the opposing, theres not only more accounts of lions killing tigers, theres more experts who agree, more historical artifacts that proves who won, more sources that says hes more durable, more sources that says hes the harder striker, more almost everything, these things have been provided, you on the other hand havent provided anything.

You do not have thousands, theres only less than 20, and in terms of maned lions, less than 10...other wise show it or stop trolling.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/71578881?searchTerm=%22polar%20bear%22%20%22killed%22%20lion%20cage&searchLimits=

Usually just those two...

The same fight with a bit more clear text:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/101183498?searchTerm=%22polar%20bear%22%20%22killed%22%20lion%20cage&searchLimits=

And whos hiding it? I've already showed the forum who collected almost all the records of bears killing lions, not all that much. If you find any, feel free to post them, theres only around 6 or 7 times a beat has killed a lion, post any of them you can find.

I dont use googles search because you are only lead to fan made sites who say animal A bigger than animal B, so....animal A winner. Quite stupid really.

I already posted the site that showed some bears killing lions:
http://shaggygod.proboards.com/thread/798/historical-accounts-bears-big-interactions?page=1

If the archive doesnt have a polar bear killing a lion account, then it probably didnt happen.