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Ungrateful refugees in Europe

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They expect utopia. They think that there are no problems in Germany / UK. They think everything is magical in the west.
Original post by goam
You're disgusting. Just because you born on a good part of the Earth's crust, you think your life is worth more than other people's?


Yes - the British people should come first. If their own country can't give them what they want then that's on them, they have no right to demand anything from us.
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Original post by stevey396
Yes - the British people should come first. If their own country can't give them what they want then that's on them, they have no right to demand anything from us.


I'm not going to bother arguing with you; you clearly lack the empathy that any decent human being has.
They should get nothing more than basic shelter and food, we should have no obligation to accept any of them let alone over a million. A much better idea would be to give money to the surrounding Islamic countries to take care of them, rather than accepting them into our own society in spite of some of their horrendous views towards women, homosexuals, and non-Muslims in general.

And before anyone says, yes, I know the surrounding countries have accepted more refugees than Europe has, but that doesn't undermine the point that they will assimilate into life there much better than here. Those countries shouldn't be left with the burden of caring for them, so we should provide financial aid to support them in doing so. And no, I'm not accusing ALL migrants of holding disgusting homophobic, mysognistic views, but they've grown up in a culture that promotes those values so they are naturally more likely to hold them themselves, especially as their religion condones such behaviour in many instances. What Merkel has done is utterly irresponsible, she's not only dealt a blow to her own country but also to Europe as a whole. They're now effectively permanent European citizens, because who the hell would go back to Syria or Iraq (even after the war is over) when they can stay here?
In the meantime the Saudis have a massive empty permanent camp that could accommodate millions.

http://www.ibtimes.com/refugee-crisis-2015-saudi-arabia-criticized-100000-air-conditioned-tents-not-use-2095403
Original post by goam
I'm not going to bother arguing with you; you clearly lack the empathy that any decent human being has.


How many refugees have you welcomed into your house?
Original post by gladders
Yes, it's appalling that we consider treating them as human beings and not as cattle.


So do you want to solve all problems in the world then, and invite it all to our doorstep? Street kids in Brazil, shot by police, child prostitutes in latin America, poor and diseased children in Africa? Syria happens to be the hot news right now, there is suffering and inequality all over the world, all the time, every single day. It is not our job to solve it all, it's our job to look after our national interests. It's sentimental hypocrisy otherwise.
Original post by The Roast
How many refugees have you welcomed into your house?


Yeah - typical leftie moron. Moans about people being "lacking in empathy" or "prejudiced towards foreigners" but isn't prepared to take action themselves. A stain on society, the lot of them.
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Original post by goam
I'm not going to bother arguing with you; you clearly lack the empathy that any decent human being has.


What about the vastly higher numbers of problems that exist every day all over the world? Why just Syria, because it's a current news item? I could find you multtiple times the numbers, huge numbers suffering all over the world, every day, a huge chunk or multiple of our population. Do you want poor Africans whose children suffer from disease coming over, for example? We should be better to our own people, we could do to learn that before committing civilizational suicide. And what about empathy for people who are poor here and get pushed out of the running, what about people who die in terrorism and their families who don't want open borders? Is it just because they are simple, ordinary, non-'diverse' white British people?

Most people denounce socialism now, saying it makes everyone poorer for the sake of inequality, I have more sympathy with it. I could say they lack empathy. If people all believe that some measure of inequality is needed to be better off, why shouldn't that be true in civilizational term? We are lucky in this country compared to most of the world, why don't we focus on our national interests and building a better and more civilized country, rather than wrecking our country by inviting all the problems of the third world?

So many are too focused on feeling morally superior to other people, on feeling good, rather than thinking about outcomes and whether they are doing good.
Divide and rule is a powerful tool for the sociopaths and our rulers so they exploit this sentimentality cynically and silly people fall for it. In the main time they live rich, fat lives, and other peoples get worse and worse.

The irony is that many immigrant groups, besides the middle eastern, ultra united muslims, who have fled places, will want a stop to it, and be more conservative in preserving what we have because of what they see we have and where they fled. However the muslims increasingly look after their own and see their faith as their bind not their nationality, that is why they are such a threatening force, they have a bind, while western politicians are destroying all of ours. the nation state, the family, an identifiable culture. There is no-one you can combat a militant social conservative ideology with some solidarity, common binds and social conservatism ourselves. Our politicians know this but they practise laissez faire economic and social liberalism, wars and open borders. All part of serving themselves, and big money, and destroying the fabric of how ordinary people live. Luckily people have seen through it, although 52% is hardly emphatic enough for me, they threw every bit of bullying and fear at people and pressure to maintain this system, plus Jo Cox was murdered, but it still wasn't quite enough. That 2% could change history, in America and western Europe. Or maybe it is too late. but people have seen through it.
Original post by Sayed0123
Instead of saying thank you, that snake gave her a vicious bite!


Bloody metaphors, when will people stop using them.
Most of them are not even refugees. They are ECONOMIC MIGRANTS!

We should only help the families, and young children. Not young loutish men, of fighting age. Sadly, a lot of families can't afford to pay the smugglers, so they are stuck in refugee camps.
Original post by stevey396
Yeah - typical leftie moron. Moans about people being "lacking in empathy" or "prejudiced towards foreigners" but isn't prepared to take action themselves. A stain on society, the lot of them.


Accepting Refugees is not synonymous with sharing homes with them. Regardless of whether its right or not, it's okay to welcome refugees to the country but not to your own home, just as much as it's okay to want disabled people to take benefits from the country without wanting to pay them money directly. There is a difference between calling for a shared responsibility and single responsibility.
Original post by mercuryman
Excellent comment, the humanity is strong with you.

I really hope that you are joking too and not genuinely agreeing with what I said...
Original post by Platopus
I really hope that you are joking too and not genuinely agreeing with what I said...


Chill plato, we both got played by our comments. :wink:
Original post by The Roast
How many refugees have you welcomed into your house?


Is that legal?
Original post by mercuryman
Chill plato, we both got played by our comments. :wink:

I guess sarcasm doesn't come across well over the Internet :tongue:
Original post by SaucissonSecCy
So do you want to solve all problems in the world then, and invite it all to our doorstep? Street kids in Brazil, shot by police, child prostitutes in latin America, poor and diseased children in Africa? Syria happens to be the hot news right now, there is suffering and inequality all over the world, all the time, every single day. It is not our job to solve it all, it's our job to look after our national interests. It's sentimental hypocrisy otherwise.


You're right - it's not our job to solve it. But it's not the fault of the refugees - and I would like to hope that if someday in the future and this country has severe problems, some other country will lend us a helping hand. They may well find more pressure to do that because of the help we give now.

Anyway - what's your solution? Turn them away and let them starve, potentially allow them to radicalise? Deny the ability of onlookers to see much difference between Daesh and the West?
Original post by gladders
You're right - it's not our job to solve it. But it's not the fault of the refugees - and I would like to hope that if someday in the future and this country has severe problems, some other country will lend us a helping hand. They may well find more pressure to do that because of the help we give now.

Anyway - what's your solution? Turn them away and let them starve, potentially allow them to radicalise? Deny the ability of onlookers to see much difference between Daesh and the West?


What? What country from that region would help us? And we would only be in a refugee like or civil war situation because of the policies the political class and media establishment support, with the assistance of brainwashed members of the public. Are you actually suggesting all these open border policies can lead to reciprocated help and this is a justification for risking, probably wrecking our own civilization?
As for radicalization, well there seem to be plenty of mass murdering terrorists who are well built, well fed and with plenty of clothes to wear and a roof over their heads. There are radicalized people everywhere, I'd rather not have them here to radicalize because they hate our country. Why are people 2/3 generations down, for example with our Pakistanis, less integrated and more likely to radicalize than their antecedents? These policies are a disaster, we have failed to integrate and are at risk and the politicians want more.

As for the last point, you just sound mad, unless I've misinterpreted. If you are genuinely comparing turning refugees away with being like ISIS then you are beyond hope, and if the country is run by your politics, we will simply cease to exist- very soon.
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