Ehhh... I'm kinda with the anti-Trump brigade on this one

He just goes for 'kick them out, build a wall, send them home' etc.

Well, if we take your perspective to it's logical conclusion we can say that everyone can be considered to be a part of the establishment as long as they've ever bought anything with their nation's currency.

But there are still degree's to which people can be said to be more establishment than others, and while Trump is very much part of the corporate establishment, and the corporate establishment is obviously linked to politics, as everything in society is linked in some way, he is far more of an outsider to the political establishment than every candidate who had an inkling of a chance, except Sanders. He also cares far less what the political establishment thinks of him than most other politicians.

Not at all. Not everything is black and white. Making just enough to put food on the table is not the same as making billions, using illegal immigrants in the process.

By 'benefits' it is clear I mean make fortunes, not just made a penny.



Except the people who cannot put food on the table or afford heatlhcare are suffering because of our economic, not political establishment.

You missed out the "and they can come back into our country, but they have to do it legally" part!

Sure, the anti-Trump brigade totally took his words about Mexican cartel members coming over the border out of context and made it look like he was talking about all Mexican immigrants. They've twisted a lot of stuff he's said, they've misconstrued stuff. His comments that Russia would find a lot of great stuff if they hacked Hillary's email were clearly sarcastic, and said with large degree of tongue-in-cheek. But I think his comments about the Muslim mother and father of the American soldier who died were pretty terrible. It was a really cold hearted response, and it was very stupid and undiplomatic. If you want to know what I'm talking about, see here: [video="youtube;GW1uHqPkG8c"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GW1uHqPkG8c[/video]

I agree he appears to be talking about issues, but he's not actually offering solutions or addressing the issues.

He just goes for 'kick them out, build a wall, send them home' etc.
They're soundbites rather than solutions.

None of these areas are no-go for other politicians. What debate has he opened? If it's a debate about banning all Muslims, is that a debate we really want opened?

People like Trump because he offers facile solutions to infinitely complex problems, solutions which people can very easily understand without much thought or scrutiny. The reason those facile solutions are taken seriously is because of all the millions he's made.

If this is how American/Western people think then God help us all, it doesn't matter who becomes president because the Western culture is in epochal decline.

Its not how western people think its how humans think. If there is a big problem that is repeatedly denied, unaddressed and the politicans views are contrary to a majority of peoples reality... they will go for the person who proclaims to have the will or to address the issue

Very simple stuff. This is the cost of your head in the sand, apologist denialism which spurs the likes of the politicans on

If only a politicans had offered some form of action strong enough to appease peoples worries, then solutions like ban all muslims wouldnt be so appealing to say many

im sure this has been said before , but the worlds great superpower and the best they can come up with as a president is either a loon or a crook. how did we come to this situation?

The fact he has benefitted from the political and "economic" system (who doesn't benefit from the latter btw?) does not mean he isn't anti-establishment. Pablo Escobar was a billionaire who benefitted from, and was deeply involved in, both of those things, and he still was definitely anti-establishment. The political establishment, even the Republicans, have tried everything to stop Trump and shed a bad light on him. The news is far more full of stories that shed a negative light on Trump than on Hillary or anyone else. The fact Hillary has broken the law, and sanctioned selling weapons to Saudi Arabia to bomb Yemen, or giving weapons to Syrian rebels who turned out to be ISIS, has received far less attention on mainstream news sites such as the BBC than any of Trump's gaffs or controversies.

I like the fact he supports allowing states to decide whether marijuana should be legal in them, and believes in "studying" legalisation. I like his opposition to TPP and TTIP. I think it's actually a really good idea to make it more difficult for people to pass over the border from Mexico, as it would really make life difficult for the cartels and would actually greatly benefit all the Mexicans who live under their menace in the towns near the border. I don't think Mexico should be forced to pay for it. I like the fact he is fairly indifferent about gay marriage, and now seems to have accepted it. I like the fact he support Planned Parenthood. I like the fact his response to the whole transgender toilet debacle was something along the lines of "people should be able to use whichever toilet they want". I also like the fact he is very concerned about Islamic terrorism and Islam. I love the fact he has said he would refuse to take money from the Saudis.

On the other hand, his views on guns are ridiculous, and he does say some stupid, brash, belligerent things, and I wonder if his utter lack of diplomacy could be dangerous.

Its not how western people think its how humans think. If there is a big problem that is repeatedly denied, unaddressed and the politicans views are contrary to a majority of peoples reality... they will go for the person who proclaims to have the will or to address the issue

Very simple stuff. This is the cost of your head in the sand, apologist denialism which spurs the likes of the politicans on

If only a politicans had offered some form of action strong enough to appease peoples worries, then solutions like ban all muslims wouldnt be so appealing to say many

What's the population of the United States? 200 million plus? How many potentially thousands of brilliant people must be out there who would do an incredible job serving their country but will never ever get a look in because they would never have any financial backing or clout? That can't be democracy, surely? Yes, our top politicians are usually Oxbridge types, but our present Prime Minister is the daughter of a vicar. It may be predominantly Oxford or Cambridge graduates who get the top jobs in the civil service or government, but their background might be as poor as a church mouse.

What am i missing?

They chose to be a pawn in Hilary's political game (The same Hilary who sent their son to die) - They are happy to endorse the war mongerer who has thousands of peoples blood on her hands including their sons and errantly attack trump and his character.

I find it hilarious and frustrating that Hilary and the left held up this muslims story and sacrifice to counter trump as tho they are some sort of paradigm for all muslims, the same people who constantly shout u cant blame religion for 1 individuals actions.

I am pretty sure the number of muslims in UK and USA armies is absoloutely miniscule

Why do you like the fact he's concerned about something so insignificant in the US? If I lived in the US I'd be more afraid of being killed by a police officer than a terrorist


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Its not how western people think its how humans think. If there is a big problem that is repeatedly denied, unaddressed and the politicans views are contrary to a majority of peoples reality... they will go for the person who proclaims to have the will or to address the issue

Very simple stuff. This is the cost of your head in the sand, apologist denialism which spurs the likes of the politicans on

If only a politicans had offered some form of action strong enough to appease peoples worries, then solutions like ban all muslims wouldnt be so appealing to say many