What is the regressive left?

That wasn't the point I was making, the point is that the terror and ideology doesn't die with the organisation (as seen with the over throwing of Ba'ath). Instead it splinters and evolves, you get an eruption of new groups some way more extreme than its predecessors.

You have a point. However, it is **** in there, and Israel is a first world country. If Israel was able to occupy it like America did to Germany and Japan it could potentially rebuild it in the same way, while dealing with Hamas somewhat.


I have met a few people like that, they are quite rare. I think the term regressive left is a good term for these people, as it distinguishes them from genuine progressives and regular leftists when used honestly, although it does become an insult in some hands ( I mean, I have heard people often use right wing as an insult).

To be fair, a large chunk of the feminist movement and academics are quite anti-men, and that sort of defines the movement as that is what we see the movement doing. There are plenty of terms that mean equality without the feminist name anyway.

For me, a "regressive left" if there was one - would be what I could "tribal Labour".

They just vote Labour because they're working class, with no thought to the principles behind it.

These people are increasingly rare nowadays though (hence, why Labour has struggled so much).

With regards to feminism, I would call myself a feminist and I genuinely want to see the prominent sources that are anti-men.

I can never find any (and I'm not saying that merely as a defence of feminism).

I asked my friend who assures me there are many to cite one and he sighted Woolstonecroft. I remembered thinking "eh?" as we studied her at uni and she was so moderate that she wouldn't really be considered feminist at all by today's standards - she accepted the superiority of men (she was around in the 1700s after all) but still thought that women should have more power than they currently did.

So I researched Woolstonecroft in the context of demonising men and still no joy. So, my search continues for the men-haters!!

So I do ask, earnestly, for sources of the prominent anti-men feminists. Really, so I can verify that it's not just something to bring down the feminist movement (the movement for gender equality - I always specify the real definition even though I feel sad having to do so) and that it is strong and real.

As someone who has studied feminism as in the context of the advancement of women - not the destruction of men, I can certainly say that the majority of the movement certainly isn't anti-men (at least the prominent mainstream part of it that I am a part of), but I'm genuinely interested to find the fringe, extremist bit and appreciate sources.

Google Andrea Dworkin, Valerie Solanas, Jessica Valenti and maybe Anita Sarkeesian's stuff on actual feminism for a start. This is the vanguard of the feminist movement and the literature which underlies it. Then go after big red and go into places like GamerGhazi and TwoXChromosomes. You could have a look on /r/mensrights, there are often cases of feminists shutting down MRA things. For instance, they shut down a male domestic abuse shelter, and as a result the founder killed himself.

Go on Sargon of Akkad's channel too, and watch the videos on feminism there, he has a playlist highlighting hundreds upon thousands of instances of issues within the feminist movement.

Will do, thanks for the info.

Google Andrea Dworkin, Valerie Solanas, Jessica Valenti and maybe Anita Sarkeesian's stuff on actual feminism for a start. This is the vanguard of the feminist movement and the literature which underlies it. Then go after big red and go into places like GamerGhazi and TwoXChromosomes. You could have a look on /r/mensrights, there are often cases of feminists shutting down MRA things. For instance, they shut down a male domestic abuse shelter, and as a result the founder killed himself.

Go on Sargon of Akkad's channel too, and watch the videos on feminism there, he has a playlist highlighting hundreds upon thousands of instances of issues within the feminist movement.

Everything I've seen of the MRA movement has just been attacking legit feminism and women's rights issues.

However, I'm pro REAL men's rights, such as male domestic abuse shelters, paternal custody rights and a man's right to choose whether he is a parent or not (some interesting legislation being introduced in Sweden), so if there are some people calling themselves feminists who are attacking male refuges that is definitely a stain on the movement.

Well, I have a completely different perspective. I have seen some women hating MRAs but the majority of them seem to be ok people.

Omg. Someone said why doesn't Israel overthrow Hamas, I said "it's a shame we never tried that with Ba'ath" trying to hint at the consequences it will lead to such as more terrorism, ideological splits and I was pointing out that the ideology doesn't die with the regime, if the regime is over thrown the ideology often splits and evolves allowing room for extremist ideology, that's exactly what happened in Iraq and AQI took advantage