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Stop the War coalition was great at the time, but I don't think he can win an election i'm afraid!
Original post by Wired_1800

If a boss loses the confience of three quarters of his staff and there are claims of intentional chaos being caused. Then, I think there will be mass layoffs of people. The truth about those politicians is that they saw an opportunity and they took it.


And all of a sudden we are back in conspiracy land. That three quarters of the Labour MPs have plotted and schemed against Corbyn. And where does this idea come from? Why, the Corbyn camp of course!

If a business saw a manager lose the confidence of his staff, either the staff would leave or he would be fired. But Corbyn cares not a jot either way. This isn't about power and winning it. It is about hijacking the Labour party for his own aims. Winning elections isn't really on his radar.
Original post by Wired_1800

If a boss loses the confience of three quarters of his staff and there are claims of intentional chaos being caused. Then, I think there will be mass layoffs of people. The truth about those politicians is that they saw an opportunity and they took it.


If a boss loses the confidence in his employees, it is usually seen in a high staff turnover as staff leave, or the senior management see the light and fire the manager in question.

One question I have been pondering is why is Corbyn doing this? There is no way Labour will win the next election. The only thing I can think of is that this isn't about power. Corbyn is only really interested in hijacking the Labour party and cleansing it of all people he doesn't agree with. And because he is preaching a form of idealism, his supporters are doing the dirty work for him whilst he denounces foul play.
Original post by ByEeek
If a boss loses the confidence in his employees, it is usually seen in a high staff turnover as staff leave, or the senior management see the light and fire the manager in question.

One question I have been pondering is why is Corbyn doing this? There is no way Labour will win the next election. The only thing I can think of is that this isn't about power. Corbyn is only really interested in hijacking the Labour party and cleansing it of all people he doesn't agree with. And because he is preaching a form of idealism, his supporters are doing the dirty work for him whilst he denounces foul play.


I don't think that you understand how politics work. I would not call you naive because you seem to be more clever than that.

Politics is based on a "scratch my back and I will scratch your back" kind of organisation. There you go with the group that you feel will give your more for your interests. It is not conspiracy, it is fact. It is how it works in many countries, whether it is the US, UK or wherever.

We saw it in the Conservative Party where Boris Johnson chose not to run and was rewarded with the Foreign Secretary role and Andrea Leadsom, who mysteriously quit the race, was promoted to the Cabinet. Only naive people will be unable to see through the hidden deals that were done.

The Labour Party, fortunately or unfortunately, has a Politician who seems to be honest. Yes, he has radical ideas of how he wants the UK to be run, but he does not deal with frivolities. As a result, there is no point for some of the MPs to support him. Not because they think he won't lead the party, but because he is not offering them any deals.

After the EU vote, they said it was Tom Watson that would challenge Corbyn, then it was Angela Eagle (who was a waste of space), then it was Owen Smith. It was down to running after the politician, who will offer them the best deal.

To show how opportunistic Owen Smith is, he said that he would not quit his campaign for Angela Eagle as a unity candidate against Corbyn. Yet, he came out claiming that he was a unity candidate. Even when Angela Eagle said that she would quit for Owen Smith, if he got the backing of the Party members.

We saw it with Ed Miliband, where even his OWN shadow cabinet accused him of running a failed campaign. Really? After he lost?

We need to stop living in fantasy and see the reality of those opportunistic politicians, who have chosen to bring the Labour Party to its knees for personal gain.
Original post by JamesN88
He kowtows to anyone who's anti-Western no matter how deplorable they are. Stop the War for example, even Caroline Lucas has disassociated herself from them.


Precisely. He supports Iran as they're anti-us but he hates Saudi as they work with us.*
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Original post by ckfeister
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36972038
^ I think he can win, he isn't like the other liberals who forcing us to go back into EU. His like a left-wing version of Trump, can't be stopped, while Media try to hit him down hard, but keeps going.


Big difference is that America wants a right wing movement, we don't want a socialist movement and we never have. The government has always been right wing or centrist for 100s of years, we've had socialists in govt but they didn't last long and ended in catastrophe. Corbyn is not what the people want although the group of people who do want him are good at getting attention and seeming larger than they are, put him to the electorate and those people are completely unrepresentative. Corbyn has little ground in England which is vital to winning an election, he has little support in Scotland which is 100% necessary for a left wing movement since they are the most left part of the country same goes to wales although they've at least tried to make an effort there. Corbyn will lose at least 50 seats especially with the May government taking the centre ground. Blair might've messed up with Iraq but his understanding of the UK and it's systems is undeniable.
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Original post by Wired_1800
I don't think that you understand how politics work. I would not call you naive because you seem to be more clever than that.

Politics is based on a "scratch my back and I will scratch your back" kind of organisation. There you go with the group that you feel will give your more for your interests. It is not conspiracy, it is fact. It is how it works in many countries, whether it is the US, UK or wherever.

We saw it in the Conservative Party where Boris Johnson chose not to run and was rewarded with the Foreign Secretary role and Andrea Leadsom, who mysteriously quit the race, was promoted to the Cabinet. Only naive people will be unable to see through the hidden deals that were done.

The Labour Party, fortunately or unfortunately, has a Politician who seems to be honest. Yes, he has radical ideas of how he wants the UK to be run, but he does not deal with frivolities. As a result, there is no point for some of the MPs to support him. Not because they think he won't lead the party, but because he is not offering them any deals.

After the EU vote, they said it was Tom Watson that would challenge Corbyn, then it was Angela Eagle (who was a waste of space), then it was Owen Smith. It was down to running after the politician, who will offer them the best deal.

To show how opportunistic Owen Smith is, he said that he would not quit his campaign for Angela Eagle as a unity candidate against Corbyn. Yet, he came out claiming that he was a unity candidate. Even when Angela Eagle said that she would quit for Owen Smith, if he got the backing of the Party members.

We saw it with Ed Miliband, where even his OWN shadow cabinet accused him of running a failed campaign. Really? After he lost?

We need to stop living in fantasy and see the reality of those opportunistic politicians, who have chosen to bring the Labour Party to its knees for personal gain.


You're right in some cases but put all that aside, let's imagine the labour MPs got behind Corbyn, let's imagine it's an election would he win an election to an electorate that is moving more to the right? Gordon brown lost an election becuase he was said to be moving to the left, Ed Miliband had all the correct policies but again he didn't take the centre ground and have the confidence of right wingers which is an agreed statement to why he lost so Corbyn comes out with the idea of "HEY WHY DONT WE MOVE FURTHER TO THE LEFT??", this country is not seeking a left wing movement, we don't want nationalised rails they were a disgrace, we don't want unnecessary spending. The country wants smart investments not nationalisation.
Original post by ByEeek
Why don't you vote for UKIP then?


I will vote UKIP/Reform Party UK.

The Prime Minister must choose to leave the single market and follows an Australian points based system. Australia has already confirmed that they would love to trade and do deals with us.

Additional to this, we would also be already saving +£10 billion by leaving the EU which we will be able to spend on our own priorities.

In conclusion, I will vote UKIP/Reform Party UK in 2020 if we havent left the single market.
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Original post by Naveed-7
I will vote UKIP.

Additional to this, we would also be already saving +£10 billion by leaving the EU which we will be able to spend on our own priorities.



Very true. Very true indeed. It is just a shame that our faltering economy will wipe out that £10 billion saving. And anyway - this government will no doubt spend it on military kit, so no one other than defence contractors will see any benefit.
Original post by Wired_1800
We need to stop living in fantasy and see the reality of those opportunistic politicians, who have chosen to bring the Labour Party to its knees for personal gain.


I know perfectly well how politics works thank you very much. There is nothing to answer to most of what you have written. However, this last sentence - "We need to stop living in fantasy and see the reality of those opportunistic politicians."

This is typical of Corbyn conspiracy theory. That 172 (or thereabouts) Labour politicians are all opportunistic, that they are out to get Corbyn, that they have an agenda of their own, that they work as one. In challenging any conspiracy I ask you to prove your point. Where is the evidence that they are opportunistic?

Most leaders have a small group of rebels. Corbyn has been one for most of his career. Does that make him opportunistic? And what does it say about him, that his group of rebels is three quarters of the parliamentary party?
Original post by zayn008
You're right in some cases but put all that aside, let's imagine the labour MPs got behind Corbyn, let's imagine it's an election would he win an election to an electorate that is moving more to the right? Gordon brown lost an election becuase he was said to be moving to the left, Ed Miliband had all the correct policies but again he didn't take the centre ground and have the confidence of right wingers which is an agreed statement to why he lost so Corbyn comes out with the idea of "HEY WHY DONT WE MOVE FURTHER TO THE LEFT??", this country is not seeking a left wing movement, we don't want nationalised rails they were a disgrace, we don't want unnecessary spending. The country wants smart investments not nationalisation.


I am sure that you love the right-wing policies. How is life in austerity-laden Britain? You see things don't stack up and many of the voters really don't know how things work, but just do as they are told.

Nobody wants a right wing government. Do you want to see how right wing the government can be, then wait until Theresa May finishes her doing.

To your message:

My point is the first part of the Labour Government is to remain united behind a leader. No voter will vote for any political party that looks in disarray. They will see that these politicians cannot run their party, but want to run the country.

Hopefully, if Corbyn won the next GE. He will not push the country to the left. Not all Labour politicians are "lefties." It will be in Labour that you will get smart investments.

Let me give you example, look at the Hinkley Point C nuclear programme that costs about £24B. This is bearing in mind that the Government slashed welfare and introduced cuts across the board. Yet, they will spend that amount on nuclear power technology that is not even safe for installation.

What Labour needs now is to rally around their leader, Corbyn, to demand for a fairer society.
Original post by ByEeek
I know perfectly well how politics works thank you very much. There is nothing to answer to most of what you have written. However, this last sentence - "We need to stop living in fantasy and see the reality of those opportunistic politicians."

This is typical of Corbyn conspiracy theory. That 172 (or thereabouts) Labour politicians are all opportunistic, that they are out to get Corbyn, that they have an agenda of their own, that they work as one. In challenging any conspiracy I ask you to prove your point. Where is the evidence that they are opportunistic?

Most leaders have a small group of rebels. Corbyn has been one for most of his career. Does that make him opportunistic? And what does it say about him, that his group of rebels is three quarters of the parliamentary party?


I don't was to go into a heated argument about Corbyn. Let us leave things as they are.
Very unlikely. The SNP will retain most of their seats and UKIP might gain some Labour seats in the north.

Though stranger things have happened.
Original post by Wired_1800
I don't was to go into a heated argument about Corbyn. Let us leave things as they are.


You were pretty heated a few posts ago. You seem to be implying that your argument about opportunistic MPs holds no water.
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Original post by zayn008
Big difference is that America wants a right wing movement, we don't want a socialist movement and we never have. The government has always been right wing or centrist for 100s of years, we've had socialists in govt but they didn't last long and ended in catastrophe. Corbyn is not what the people want although the group of people who do want him are good at getting attention and seeming larger than they are, put him to the electorate and those people are completely unrepresentative. Corbyn has little ground in England which is vital to winning an election, he has little support in Scotland which is 100% necessary for a left wing movement since they are the most left part of the country same goes to wales although they've at least tried to make an effort there. Corbyn will lose at least 50 seats especially with the May government taking the centre ground. Blair might've messed up with Iraq but his understanding of the UK and it's systems is undeniable.


Corbyn is moving more right as the day goes by, May is hiding where PMQs gone for an example, last one was 20th July
Original post by ByEeek
You were pretty heated a few posts ago. You seem to be implying that your argument about opportunistic MPs holds no water.


I am trying to calm down.
Original post by ByEeek
I know perfectly well how politics works thank you very much. There is nothing to answer to most of what you have written. However, this last sentence - "We need to stop living in fantasy and see the reality of those opportunistic politicians."

This is typical of Corbyn conspiracy theory. That 172 (or thereabouts) Labour politicians are all opportunistic, that they are out to get Corbyn, that they have an agenda of their own, that they work as one. In challenging any conspiracy I ask you to prove your point. Where is the evidence that they are opportunistic?

Most leaders have a small group of rebels. Corbyn has been one for most of his career. Does that make him opportunistic? And what does it say about him, that his group of rebels is three quarters of the parliamentary party?


"People who mostly left solid, professional careers to take a pay cut to even get into politics in the first place wanting their party to actually be electable so that they can do a better job than the Tories of helping the people in this country = opportunistic*

Being a career politician who's never had an actual job in his whole life while being on the take (to the tune of tens of thousands of pounds) from murderous regimes while ****ging off other murderous regimes to exploit the emotional sentiments of clueless numpties like me who think they're above it all but is actually living in the fantasy land I accuse most of the rest of the country of being in = not opportunistic and the epitome of honesty"

- wired_1800 *
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Original post by Tempest II
http://www.loonyparty.com

I think this party has a greater chance of winning personally.

The economy would really have to nose dive stupendously for Corbyn to get in.


If nothing else, their conference sounds a hoot.The spirit of David Sutch lives on.
I sincerely hope Corbyn never wins and would rather have the greens in opposition than labour.

According to latest polling if Teresa may calls a general election today labour would loose 100 seats (yay) 😛 And the conservatives would gain at least 60 (yay) 😛
Original post by ckfeister
Corbyn is moving more right as the day goes by, May is hiding where PMQs gone for an example, last one was 20th July

Parliament always goes into recess for the summer

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