Not so old, though, is it? We're talking about something that occurred as recently as 2012. And not exactly friends; he was Press TV's employee. He accepted four payments totalling up to £20,000 to appear as a television host on a network which
itself (the TV network) has been complicit in the torture of a journalist, and which is the propaganda arm of a regime that murders gay people, stones women and imprisons leftists and trade unionists.
It is entire unclear how the UK's unhealthy relationship with a regime that murders gay people and stones women (Saudi Arabia) makes it okay for Corbyn to accept up to £20,000 from a regime that murders gay people and stones women (Iran).
Your argument is, essentially, that it's okay because Corbyn is only as corrupt as the UK government, right? It's so convenient that out of one side of their mouths Corbynites claim their leader is a living saint, an exemplar of simple decency, a vegetarian teetotal ascetic whose honesty and goodness puts modern politicians to shame. Out the other side of their mouth they say that it's okay for Corbyn to behave corruptly and disgracefully "because everyone else does it" or "because Saudi Arabia". Do I really have to point out that those two positions are not only contradictory, but flagrantly hypocritical?
What policies? Two first-rate economists he convinced to sit on his council of economic advisors resigned because he did nothing for 9 months. It's only after he was actually challenged for the leadership that he came up with his flimsy 10 point plan.
And it isn't really so much a plan as a list of aspirations. A plan sets out how you get from A to B. "Full employment and a fairer economy for all" is just a platitude. Fine words butter no parsnips.
And I'm sorry but as much as you deny it, integrity and morality
do matter. It
does matter that you are saying we should go into the next election led by a man who accepted £20,000 to be the television shill for one of the worst regimes on earth, a man who praised the IRA and opposed the peace process on the basis that it wouldn't lead to a united Ireland, a man who accepts gifts from oil industry lobbyists and praises as "dedicated to peace and social justice" an organisation that called for all Jews worldwide to be killed.
And even if you personally don't possess a shred of decency to apply standard of morality to your cult leader, surely you should care about the fact that he will be destroyed during a general election by the Tories for these things. Over and over again, day after day, he will be hammered as the friend of Hamas, the man who took money from our enemies, the supporter of the IRA. A man who not only supports violent extremists, but sickeningly cashes in on those connections while claiming to be a victimised saint. He will be depicted (successfully, because he is these things) as a hypocrite, an incompetent boob, a man out of touch with the modern world, a man who says "Do as I say not as I do", a man who proposes not a vision for the 21st century but a vision to take us back to the 1970s.
In such an electoral match-up, Labour risks collapsing as an electoral force.
Referring to a factual incident is, by definition, not a smear. Which of these disgusting acts are you claiming Corbyn didn't do?
You're right, it's not a fixed demographic, and that's precisely why Labour should be so worried. One third of the people who voted Labour in 2015 now say it's highly likely they will vote for the Tories. May leads Corbyn in every demographic, including the 18-24 demographic which is unprecedented in living memory for a Tory PM to lead in young people. Corbyn comes third in "most preferred Prime Minister" after May and "Don't know"
The evidence tells us Corbyn is the least popular opposition leader since polling began, that he is appealing to a smaller and smaller, ever more fanatical core of deranged supporters who can see no wrong in the Great Helmsman.
Labour is speeding towards the cliff, and you people are cackling maniacally and shrieking "Faster! Faster". If you don't realise how unpopular Corbyn is, that tells you how insular your circle of friends are. Presumably you think that because 1000 screeching devotees turn up to a demo for Corbyn, and all your mates are retweeting your Momentum talking points, Corbyn must be the most popular man in the country.
I realise at this point I can't reason you out of a position you weren't reasoned into. It's now about emotion for you; the sense of group solidarity you have with your fellow Corbynites, the sense of joint endeavor you feel when you perceive you are under attack, the thrill you get from the little victories of taking controlling of the Labour Party. At the same time, you are completely blind to the fact you are alienating the entire country.
That's all I have to say on the matter.
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