What if a Christian woman just wants to cover up? What if an atheist decides they want to cover up? It's not a swimsuit limited solely to people of one religious group and its limiting the freedom of expression of those in France. It is no way a religious garment and should be worn by all those who want to wear it and those who don't want to wear it shouldn't have a problem as its not affecting them
Wear a long sleeve shirt and jeans or leggings then and a normal wetsuit with no religious connotation which a Burkini does have. Which non Muslims wouldn't wear anyway.
This whole debate is ridiculous.You can already wear a full body wetsuit anyway.If muslims are losing their **** over a womans hair not being covered then it says a heck of a lot about Islam doesnt it?
Wearing a burkini signifies that you hold your religion to be more important than anything else.Since its not actually a requirement to wear one in Islam, its taking islam to the extreme.The difference is that in saudi its not a choice to be covered up and this is an extension of that.Muslim women are forced or indoctrinated into believing they must cover up.They dont do it out of free choice.By banning it we're protecting their right to free expression and the right not to be forced into covering up.Using liberty,equality and fraternity in that context is just bastardising the original meaning of the term since Islam is completely at odds with enlightenment values.
Firstly, are you thinking of the burka? That's rather different to the burkini. How did you come to the conclusion that Muslim women are forced to cover up and don't do it out of free choice? I hope you've carried out some substantial research that led you to such generalisations.
You talk about protecting their right not to be forced to cover up, but what about their right not to be forced to not cover up? Or is that just not as important as the former? If you truly believed in women's right and liberty, you'd support the free wearing of the bikini just as much as the free wearing of the burka-or the burkini in this case.
Another user you has zero understanding of French culture. As I've said if anyone has a problem with this, and other parts of French secular tradition, they don't have to go to France and they can leave.
This should be rolled out across the rest of Europe. If most Muslims are truly peaceful, there will be no problem but if they turn into terrorists because of things like this, it will say something about what true Islam is.
I probably have a better understanding of French culture than you. I'm French by nationality and study/live in Paris
You didn't respond to any of my points- I think that says enough.
Firstly, are you thinking of the burka? That's rather different to the burkini. How did you come to the conclusion that Muslim women are forced to cover up and don't do it out of free choice? I hope you've carried out some substantial research that led you to such generalisations. .
Well, Saudi Arabia, the biggest sunni country in the world and he holiest place for Muslims and Iran, the biggest Shia country in the world, women have to cover up.
We shouldn't judge Islam by western Muslims, we should judge it by Muslim majority countries and the traditional Islamic part of the world. That's the true Islam.
Firstly, are you thinking of the burka? That's rather different to the burkini. How did you come to the conclusion that Muslim women are forced to cover up and don't do it out of free choice? I hope you've carried out some substantial research that led you to such generalisations.
You talk about protecting their right not to be forced to cover up, but what about their right not to be forced to not cover up? Or is that just not as important as the former? If you truly believed in women's right and liberty, you'd support the free wearing of the bikini just as much as the free wearing of the burka-or the burkini in this case.
I dont need to do extensive research because its fairly obvious.You only have to look across the middle east to see a strong culture of men forcing women to cover up.In saudi arabia women are forced to wear the burka and are not allowed to drive.Its similar in a lot of islamic countries.In indonesia a women was recently flogged for simply going on a date with a boy.Thats oppression,thats not liberty and definitely not freedom.In the west what has happened is that some muslims have simply imported their culture.Its still strongly frowned upon not to cover up in muslim communities in the west so no its not a free choice.Thats why you see muslim women covering up on a ludicrously hot day, do you really think that they wouldnt prefer to actually feel the wind? But they dare not take the hijab off because of what people in their community might think.
Well, Saudi Arabia, the biggest sunni country in the world and he holiest place for Muslims and Iran, the biggest Shia country in the world, women have to cover up.
We shouldn't judge Islam by western Muslims, we should judge it by Muslim majority countries and the traditional Islamic part of the world. That's the true Islam.
It's a good thing not all Muslim women are concentrated into those two countries then, isn't it..
Firstly, are you thinking of the burka? That's rather different to the burkini. How did you come to the conclusion that Muslim women are forced to cover up and don't do it out of free choice? I hope you've carried out some substantial research that led you to such generalisations.
You talk about protecting their right not to be forced to cover up, but what about their right not to be forced to not cover up? Or is that just not as important as the former? If you truly believed in women's right and liberty, you'd support the free wearing of the bikini just as much as the free wearing of the burka-or the burkini in this case.
People come to that conclusion because people who are not Muslims and have not been told to wear a burka/hijab/other religious dress do not. You don't wear a hijab if you've not been told to.
If your primary concern is not showing skin (whether that is because of allergy, embarrassment, self consciousness, or you believe your deity doesn't want you to/men have the right to rape you if not, etc), then you can wear a wide range of clothing - rash vests, boardshorts/pants, wetsuits, or every just wear clothes over your swim costume. The burkini in particular is a religious item. Nobody is corroding your freedom to wear clothes that hide your legs or arms or hair or whatever - just clothing that is purposely designed to dehumanise you.
It is sad that women are being told that they cannot even go for a swim or sit on a beach without having to dress a certain way to appease their god.
I dont need to do extensive research because its fairly obvious.You only have to look across the middle east to see a strong culture of men forcing women to cover up.In saudi arabia women are forced to wear the burka and are not allowed to drive.Its similar in a lot of islamic countries.In indonesia a women was recently flogged for simply going on a date with a boy.Thats oppression,thats not liberty and definitely not freedom.In the west what has happened is that some muslims have simply imported their culture.Its still strongly frowned upon not to cover up in muslim communities in the west so no its not a free choice.Thats why you see muslim women covering up on a ludicrously hot day, do you really think that they wouldnt prefer to actually feel the wind? But they dare not take the hijab off because of what people in their community might think.
It is fairly obvious that every single Muslim woman is forced into covering up? You cannot reasonably claim this by basing your argument on extreme countries like Saudi Arabia or Iran. I don't deny that some women are truly oppressed, but your generalisation is flawed. Not all Muslim women have the same experiences or are raised in the same type of community. Some might be forced by their families to wear the hijab, while others come from a family that actively discourages it.
Cannes Film Festival is one of the biggest events in France, with the world's eyes on them. Why would France want a bunch of people in islamic dress representing their country?
You're totally missing the point and have ZERO idea or knowledge on how important secularism is in France. A Burkini is a religious symbol.
If covering up is so important, they can wear a wetsuit. If it isn't - there's no problem in it being banned.
Not missing the point. I believe in the foundations of our society which is freedom. That is what France stands for. This is pure hypocrisy and they are limiting the freedoms of people. Yes they are secular but they still have FREEDOM of religion, if you don't like that then go and join some communist or fascist dictatorship.