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I'm not sure about the huge generalisation of 'modern feminism'.
I for one believe that those people may believe and say that they are feminists but it seems to me that they have a lack of understanding for the true meaning of feminism and yet make ridiculous remarks and notions which have no foundation in the name of feminism.
I refuse to believe that someone with a true understanding of feminism and the sacrifices people have made for the equality of women to suggest something as nonsensical as to not breastfeed your baby because of its gender.

This seems suspiciously close to a no true Scotsman fallacy.

Reply 61

lahorizon

Original post by joecphillips

When you get to the top for the wage gap there are too many variables to count like the profitability of the company and it is highly likely that those contracts are negotiated.

Yh I think women need to learn how to negotiate for better pay

Reply 62

Joep95

Original post by lahorizon

Yh I think women need to learn how to negotiate for better pay

http://www.businessinsider.com/gender-differences-in-salary-negotiation-2013-11?IR=T

Another factor for the earnings gap i believe is this
https://hbr.org/2014/08/why-women-dont-apply-for-jobs-unless-theyre-100-qualified
Men seem to take a chance on apply for jobs under qualified than women.

Reply 63

Elastichedgehog

Fully support the principle. Very misrepresented in my opinion.

Reply 64

BriStewart

Original post by THE EPIC Panda

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Reply 65

BriStewart

Original post by 1 8 13 20 42

Where's the survey?

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Reply 66

BriStewart

Original post by THE EPIC Panda

Go on. This will be fun.

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Reply 67

BriStewart

Original post by Elastichedgehog

Fully support the principle. Very misrepresented in my opinion.

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Reply 68

BriStewart

Original post by Electrospective

Feminism is trash. They're not even close to striving the equality they're supposedly aiming for; They seem too busy protesting about non-issues. They don't want anyone to criticise Islam yet Islam is the opposite of gender equality...

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Reply 69

BriStewart

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Reply 70

BriStewart

Original post by Elastichedgehog

Fully support the principle. Very misrepresented in my opinion.

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Reply 71

Twinpeaks

Original post by kai-jean

EGALITARIAN=believing in or based on the principle that all people are equal and deserve equal rights and opportunities
I am not misogynistic I don't believe all women share a certain trait and I
don't believe all women are bad
I believe SOME females do these things if you read back my comment I
explicitly say SOME

and all of my points are for equality because in society right now women
have double standards which wreck the lives of men on a daily basis
so I believe women and men should have an equal stance in society hence=EGALITARIAN

Wrong.

Completely wrong. Saying that "I am an egalitarian" is about just as much use as saying "I am not a racist". It's an excuse to give hateful sentences such as "women ruin men's lives on a daily basis". It's a pathetic form of social desirability. Just because you say you are egalitarian, that in no way means that you are. Especially when your actions (your expression of hate filled beliefs) say the precise opposite.

Egalitarian is defined by a number of cultural beliefs and ideologies, and can be assessed by an evidence based questionnaire which has proven validitity. I've administered that questionnaire over the past year myself and have got significant results using it.

I can guarantee that if I gave you that questionnaire, you will not provide egalitarian responses.

Reply 72

ygy

When you refer to 'them', are you referring to all women as a collective, female feminists or perhaps all feminists (including male feminists)...?

Reply 73

Twinpeaks

Original post by lahorizon

I go to school in Central London, and it is a very good school. We were able to pick our a levels freely. Almost all my female friends chose either English, Psychology or Sociology for an a level, as opposed to Physics. They had the choice and they still chose to not go into STEM. They didn't have to climb a mountain to do a STEM subject, they simply had to put a cross on a form. I personally chose to do Chem and Bio ( I'm a girl under the same apparent 'societal pressures' :wink:

. There may well be pressures but nowadays especially in the UK, women have so much opportunity and still refuse to take them- who do we blame?

You have completely missed the point of my post, to the extent where you actually support it!

I did not say that women are explicitly not allowed to chose STEM subjects? When did I say that?

I said that because of socialisation and attitudinal barriers women are more likely to chose non-STEM subjects. It's always a surprise when a woman chooses one, whereas with a man it's a given. You are a minority, perhaps you should take time to think why that is.

Exactly- who do we blame? What do you think is to blame?

I can't believe you missed the point. Clearly STEM isn't everything... :wink:

Also, do you want me to give you a "well done" for going to a "very good school" in "Central London"? Why are you looking for social approval from me?

I went to a **** school in the Valleys, umm poor me?

Reply 74

BriStewart

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Reply 75

math42

Original post by Twinpeaks

I did not say that women are explicitly not allowed to chose STEM subjects? When did I say that?

I said that because of socialisation and attitudinal barriers women are more likely to chose non-STEM subjects. It's always a surprise when a woman chooses one, whereas with a man it's a given. You are a minority, perhaps you should take time to think why that is.

Well, maybe men and women are different. Radical idea, I know. Perhaps you are technically right, and in a society with no socialisation or expectations, we would see a higher proportion of women doing STEM, but I honestly think that if we magically got rid of gendered societal pressures, we would still see more men going into STEM. It is the STEMophile (is this a thing? I guess it can be..) culture, and the rather ugly Capitalist expectation of everyone to be competitive and to try to climb the corporate ladder, make something of themselves and put a "career" before anything else, that turn this into a problem.

Reply 76

Kingslayer

A long time ago: A noble movement of people who where oppressed by a system that did not guarantee them the liberties that they deserved in a rapidly industrializing society.

Now: well............ best way of putting it is a mob of jealous, foolish, self-interested narcissists who take out all of their insecurities (possibly insecurities based on their gender and what it means for them) on those of the opposite gender.

In saying that, in certain areas of the world women certainly are being oppressed and whilst I do hate the cultist zealous form of feminism here in the west, there are MINOR issues with how women can be perceived but I would argue its often a lot to do with how they are dressed.

Equality is what it says on the tin: Every PERSON has equal rights. In the 21st century we should be more broad in how we approach this and not create forms of positive discrimination.

Reply 77

username1751857

Feminism... The word itself is controversial. I prefer the term equalist.

Reply 78

BriStewart

Original post by NotNotBatman

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Reply 79

YaYazooGirl

I believe in intersectional feminism, as this actually takes into account real life issues that women face worldwide; such as FGM or "honour killings". However, the tricky part about this is that a lot of these issues that women face worldwide are part of the culture of where they life (Middle East or Africa) and Islam is usually a large part of this. And yet, a lot of western feminists are quick to defend Islam as "empowering", so in the end, no actual progress is made. There are women movements in Iran, but overall, it is harder to speak out in these countries; yet in the West, some feminists are too preoccupied arguing over nipples and armpit hair. It's frustrating, but I believe that feminism that actually helps women across the world is beneficial.*