French mayor bans burkinis

Thanks, I will continue to have the sheer nerve of continuing to travel and enjoying the vast world out there while being Black

How does the burkini ban free Muslim Women from abuse? 50 mark question

It doesn't. But it limits the abuse ^^ it makes it clear that it is not acceptable to force women to be covered up at every moment of their life; if they choose to do so, whatever. Nobody would care. But clearly that it not always the case. Stop them wearing Islamic dress in public = stop them being forced to wear Islamic dress. It's quite simple really. If their husbands don't let them leave the house because of that then that is altogether a different problem (and requires yet further tinkering to prevent). I'm quite in support of harsher sentences against abuse, education in schools, classes for migrants etc. But as I've said lots of times on this thread, many are quick to criticise the ban yet provide no alternatives. Either people have no better ideas or else do not care about the victims. I'm not sure. Either way, it saddens me when I see women forced to wear something they do not want to or do not think it necessary - what a terrible home life to have. So I'm passionate about wanting to put a stop to that. If I see a better solution that makes more sense to me, then sure I'd probably support it.

What alternatives can you suggest? 51 mark question ;D

If you're not wearing it for religious purposes then you should have no problems wearing something else.

I honestly agree that it would be preferable not to ban anything of the sort - but Islamic dress is used repeatedly as a tool to abuse and dehumanise women, I think protecting people from abuse is more important than pandering to notions that everyone must be free to do everything. That's one of the reasons why I support the ban (and the closest to my heart specifically). Admittedly it is not a particularly efficient tactic, though I see no alternatives offered. But doing something is better than nothing.

I wonder how many people that do not support the ban also do not support bans on prostitution. Some women do it of their own choice; some are forced into it and abused. Yet a lot of people think a way to protect the victims is an outright ban - in other places it is legalised in an effort to protect the victims. There are plenty of parallels to draw here.

Dipping into foreign cultures and shouting out how its 'immoral' based on a skim-read of the situation is a bigger problem tbh.

There is a philosophical issue with banning the burka in order to free women. To an Amazonian tribesperson, the social pressure on Western women to cover their breasts might seem restrictive and oppressive. Is there a categorical difference between banning the burka and banning upper body clothing for women? Would you consider yourself freed if the latter took place?

That's fine while you country shop for a better deal I will stay make my country a better place for me, my family and community (but we are not talking about travel so your travel plans are as irrelevant as your opinion on this issue).

But again your race is irrelevant to me but it seems rather a big deal to you (which if roles were reversed would be rather racist would it not)

Any situation where women are forced to stay indoors, forced to wear only one certain 'approced' item of clothing and beaten up by their husbands is immoral and if you think otherwise then frankly, I'm disgusted.

I am not claiming that every Muslim I've ever met is abused. On the contrary, some of them have wonderful family and social lives but equally I know some girls that don't. There is a real problem out there and ignoring it makes it worse.

I just think all human beings deserve equal status. If that makes me immoral in your eyes, I really don't care ^^

Laughable.

why?

I can sum up this thread very quickly:

Mostly British Muslims who don't understand how important secularism is in France calling it 'ridiculous'

Why do you think so called "modesty" is a good thing, and why on earth should we adopt it in the west when it is exactly what we got rid of years ago? Something you read in a book, maybe?

Human bodies, faces, arms, legs, hair, and all are not things to be frightened of and hidden away. It is not sexual or threatening to society to whip 'em out.

"Country shopping" like you casually mentioned your mother-in-law does

You are very dishonest.

You are very dishonest.

FREE THE NIPPLE! The Amazonians have it right actually. Why can men whip em out and we can't eh?

And yes, there is a difference, because upper body clothing (in particular bras) actually help you physically.Burkas represent female submission in Islam and are often associated with abuse of women by the men in their lives. Sure, not everyone who wears them are forced, but we need to protect those who are.

Why are Jewish kippahs allowed on the beach then? And Christian crosses?

Yes, but being fully naked (presumably) isn't, which is more analogous in this situation given the burkini is the polar opposite of being fully naked.

Do you think nudists should be able to cite their ideological beliefs as a reason for being allowed to walk around this beach fully naked?

Except you are allowed to do that on nudist beaches.. If this was REALLY about secularism, they'd ban kippahs and crosses too. They allow people to wear wet suits, they allow men to cover up, but God forbid that this wet suit sounds Muslamic. They don't care if it's something to do with non Muslims...