Muslims "in the crosshairs of bigotry"

I disagree with you . Islam does not preach hate of women because in islamic ideology a women is guaranteed heaven just for being a mother. And Muhammad is said to have said that the person you should love most after God and Muhammad is your mother, your mother, your mother and then you love your father. Three times more than the father.

Okay. What about Christianity?

why would someone love mohammed before their mother and father- thats just nonesense

What Mr Levestress seems to misunderstand is the logical disconnect between the two positions:
1. Muslims believe that the Quran is perfect, immutable and universal, and
2. Muslims do not agree with some of the contents of the Quran.

If those Muslims who do not believe that the ultimate aim of Allah is the universal adoption of Islam (by choice or by force) clearly stated that they consider the Quran to be flawed and requiring some revision, it would be a major step on the road towards the reformation and enlightenment of Islam. It is not an easy road (as Christianity can attest to) but it is nontheless a road that must be travelled, for the good of all.

Yes, it says to respect your mother.
But it also says that a husband may beat a disobedient wife under certain conditions.
And there is the Quran's statements on inheritance and legal testimony inequality.
And it describes a wife as "like a field for you to plough as and when you like".
And there's all the stuff about how contact with women at certain times causes all sorts of problems with acceptability of prayer and the suchlike.

It is utterly pointless, not to say dishonest, to claim that women have some kind of elevated social position in Islam, as it is clearly not the case, either theologically or practically.

And no one claims that Islam preaches "hatred" of women. Just that it is clearly misogynistic and discriminatory.

Tell me, can a woman pray at the front of the mosque if she wants?

Yes, it says to respect your mother.
But it also says that a husband may beat a disobedient wife under certain conditions.
And there is the Quran's statements on inheritance and legal testimony inequality.
And it describes a wife as "like a field for you to plough as and when you like".
And there's all the stuff about how contact with women at certain times causes all sorts of problems with acceptability of prayer and the suchlike.

It is utterly pointless, not to say dishonest, to claim that women have some kind of elevated social position in Islam, as it is clearly not the case, either theologically or practically.

And no one claims that Islam preaches "hatred" of women. Just that it is clearly misogynistic and discriminatory.

Tell me, can a woman pray at the front of the mosque if she wants?

Considerably if you compare them to the social position of women in 7th century.

Getting some inheritance, allowing them to own assets and limiting the number of wifes to 4 and institutionalising alimony is far better than having none of these things.

Because I don't think even 0.1% of that figure actively go around killing non-believers

Only a slight minority would go and kill disbelievers, but many more would agree with them.

if you want an Orwellian-style government where people are not entitled to their own opinions, I hear North Korea is rather close to the novel

You're making the assumption that I am basing this on a few individuals.

You're also being an idiot for choosing the worst Muslim region and thinking thats going to give an accurate view of the whole of Islam, which you seem very eager to generalise as brutes.

Perhaps it was a progress in the 7th century, but now, in the 21st century, Islam is completely outdated and useless regarding women's rights.

The Quran is open to interpretation, 1.6 billion Muslims evidently don't follow these things, so it is a human decision whether or not to carry out these acts

isn't it blatant that extremists exploit the vagueness to justify their actions?

or are 1.6 billion people not true Muslims? I'm not sure

Equally, their forms of communism and nazism were crystal clear in their views. So it balances out.

So we live in a world of 1.6 billion poor followers of Islam, or what?

Considerably if you compare them to the social position of women in 7th century.
Getting some inheritance, allowing them to own assets and limiting the number of wifes to 4 and institutionalising alimony is far better than having none of these things.

Well said. I'm surprised that nobody said that Islam invented human rights or music.

if you want an Orwellian-style government where people are not entitled to their own opinions, I hear North Korea is rather close to the novel

never said that. i only mentioned it to show that the original prophets of islam were very progressive with regards to how women ought to be treated in a society. too bad this
characteristic has been lost on the contemporary muslims.
Momo was married to a women 20 year his elder who was an entrepreneur (lady was in import/resale of spices), that's liberal as ****, even by today's standards

Not sure where you got the idea that Muhammad was a warlord, and even then, so were many other figures in history? Why is the Muslim one suddenly more worthy of criticism than say Chairman Mao or Hitler?