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Reply 20

ckfeister

Original post by Sabertooth

I don't agree with abortion, but making it illegal would be bad. It's her body. :dontknow:

Original post by SirKyrgystan

It seriously disturbs me that we are still having this discussion in the 21st century. Where do we draw the line if we start forcing women into parenthood because it offends our sensibilities? How about women start forcing absentee fathers into marriage & living with the child until 18? because y'know, it's immoral and un-christian to abandon a family like that without trying to make it work, men can make a stupid selfish decision and ruin the future of that poor child, think of that child's potential to cure cancer, all gone to waste because the dad wasn't around. (and yes I am reversing a common argument anti-abortionists hold)

So you would kill a fesus baby who can feel it, when it was their fault/mistake in the first place?

Original post by BasicMistake

Apparently abortion is socialism now.

Go and look at conservative parties, see if they accept it... example: USA Republicans.

Reply 21

SirKyrgystan

Original post by ckfeister

So you would kill a fesus baby who can feel it, when it was their fault/mistake in the first place?

What on earth is a "fesus baby"? s and t aren't even that close together :dontknow:

Yes, I would kill a fetus, no I would not kill a baby. There is a difference and it's disingenuous to pretend otherwise. And placing the blame on Women and using it to negate their choice and in the process bypass a fundamental human right? How low a form of argument is that? I've made plenty of mistakes in my life, doesn't mean I lose the choice to make em' right. You disagree? Or if I accidentally cut my arm off with a circular saw (I am literally that clumsy) I don't get to stop the bleeding and get my arm reattached by a doctor? because, y'know, it was 'my fault'..

Reply 22

BasicMistake

Original post by ckfeister

Go and look at conservative parties, see if they accept it... example: USA Republicans.

I don't think you know what socialism is.

Reply 23

ckfeister

Original post by SirKyrgystan

What on earth is a "fesus baby"? s and t aren't even that close together :dontknow:

After 6 weeks they have feelings, did you not watch that video where the baby aggressively fighted to its death? 5 weeks or earlier is fine as it doesn't feel anything or have a HEART. When sucked out the doctor looked and noticed a tiny heart/leg at end when it tried to aggressively fight for its life... how is this justified? What if this was you?

Reply 24

ckfeister

Thats your choice. I would (if was a girl) make sure they'll have a life.

Reply 25

SirKyrgystan

Original post by ckfeister

Which feelings? fear, sadness, love? can a 6 week year old fetus be in it's emo phase? Using emotive language like 'aggressively fight for its life' doesn't make your argument any more or less valid. But in response, trees have more feelings and life processes than a fetus, how do you live yourself when you mow the grass? you monster :cry:

. And so what if it is me? what if it's the next hitler? when we go into what ifs, we go into fantasy land where that aborted child could be the anti-christ. I beg of you, let us not go there.

Reply 26

ckfeister

Actually I just showed a video that a political youtuber said.

Reply 27

cherryred90s

Original post by #ChaosKass

Abortion is completely immoral. Just think of the number of potential Einsteins, Churchills etc that have been murdered in the name of "right to choice".

I suppose you are also against contraception? After all, so many potential Einsteins and Churchills were lost at the end of a condom

Reply 28

#ChaosKass

Original post by cherryred90s

I suppose you are also against contraception? After all, so many potential Einsteins and Churchills were lost at the end of a condom

Abstinence is the way to go. If you don't want a baby then why on Earth are you having sex?

Reply 29

Sabertooth

Original post by ckfeister

So you would kill a fesus baby who can feel it, when it was their fault/mistake in the first place?

Did you miss the bit where I said I don't agree with it?

Reply 30

ckfeister

Original post by Sabertooth

Did you miss the bit where I said I don't agree with it?

Oh, must of mis-read sorry, I wouldn't allow it after like 5 weeks... if that counts.

Reply 31

Sabertooth

Original post by ckfeister

Oh, must of mis-read sorry, I wouldn't allow it after like 5 weeks... if that counts.

I won't claim to know the biology behind it (regardless what a video might say) but honestly I don't know how women live with themselves after. :/ I'm a Catholic and view abortions as wrong, but I acknowledge that it's not right for me to force my views on women, they're the ones who have to live with the guilt and answer to God after.

Reply 32

kikeconspiracy

"her body" is such a silly thing to say. The child is not your body.

Reply 33

Underscore__

While I'm not in favour of banning abortion I think people need to stop with this 'woman's body, her choice' argument, it is complete nonsense

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Reply 34

username1470679

To be honest not I don't think it would be right to make it illegal and two there is not point.

There is now point, as females who want to abort will find away. There have been reports, finding, evidence and stats in countries where abortion is illegal, they find a ****ing way. Some give birth and abandon the baby to starve or be eaten to death. Some go into depression afterwards and kill themselves or the baby and more...

another reason why there is no point, adoption agencies are already full and struggling the way it's, so why cause more children to go through the system and suffer. They are more likely to suffer mental health issues, attachment issues and more. That isn't far on, the parent who had to give birth when they didn't want to and on the child who would be neglected (as they wouldn't have one to one time, as the staff will have to care for 50+ children with different needs, wants, help and more).

For example, there is a case/report of someone who wanted to have an abortion and couldn't afford/it was illegal/it was too late for her to have an abortion and she decided to get a metal copper wire to take the baby out. The baby died from stab wounds and the mother was severely injured.

Women have a right to use their body the way they want to, if they want to have sex a lot fine, if they want to wear what every fine. The same goes for men, as long as it's not offensive it doesn't really matter, it doesn't affect you. If they want to be fit or fat who fudging cares, it's not you!!!!!

Abortion helps people as think about the people who can't have kids, as they are likely to die if they give birth. What about if the child has a defect and they are likely to die a few day/months after birth and during that they are going to suffer. What about if the person uses sooo much protection but the condoms breaks or the tablets stop working and they don't want their tubes tide. What about if they are likely to be kicked out of home or in an abusive household, what are they going to do live on the streets, watch their child get beat or allow their child to watch them be beat or another family to be beat etc.

Abortion is not taken likely and to tell someone to not have sex is -because it will lead to pregnancy/it's a consequence "live with it"- stupid, everyone has the right to have sex. It's like telling people "don't take medication, as they have side effects and if you experience the side effects it's your fault and you brought it on yourself." Even though if they don't take the medication they will suffer long, get worse or face death.

Unless all the people that are against abortion are going to look after, care or/and fund for the children then your argument is helpful, if not SHUT THE FUDGE UP!

So no abortion should stay legal, if it is it will be safe, controlled (only professionals but that is another discussion) and the most human way.

Reply 35

NUSTweb

Original post by SirKyrgystan

I don't mean to disrespect your religion, but Allah is doing a really sh1tty job in that case

Brother listen....All their bad condition is due to our wrong policies and acts...This is what our hands done and there are clear mistakes done by people who are behind them....
But Allah still provides them provision.....

You are like a man who kills his kid and says that Allah killed him....while this world is a test...
All blessings are due to Allah and all harm is due to our hands for which we should seek forgiveness...

''What comes to you of good is from Allah , but what comes to you of evil, [O man], is from yourself. And We have sent you, [O Muhammad], to the people as a messenger, and sufficient is Allah as Witness.''The world is a test for all...and who wants to do bad,does.....so he will be paid according....

Reply 36

Abstract_Prism

I just can't get behind the 'it's her body' argument. Because it's not really her body, is it? It's another body within her body. Besides, basing the argument on that results in fallacies. Why is abortion not ok beyond X week in that case? It's still 'her body'. It doesn't spawn its own existence spontaneously beyond a certain week. It doesn't make sense why abortion shouldn't be legal all throughout the pregnancy if you're using the 'it's her body' argument.

I'm not saying that abortion is wrong. I'm saying that this argument is a bad one.

Reply 37

DanielleT192

Abortion is such a sensitive topic for people and personally IMO, I think that it is the person's decision however the decision shouldn't be taken lightly.

It's difficult to say what's right or what's wrong - I think the female (and male maybe) who essentially may become parents, would be the only ones who would know that and would have to think long and hard before they make such a big decision.

I don't condone it as an easy option to get out of pregnancy but I doubt that the decision is easy. It also stays with people for life as I've read the aftermath of people's experiences and it affects them psychologically.*

Reply 38

Nirvana1989-1994

Is OP living in a different decade to the rest of us? :colonhash:

Reply 39

NUSTweb

Original post by Little Toy Gun

No-one has soul. Souls don't exist.

And in the case of a fetus at 12 weeks, the brain wouldn't have been developed enough for there to be consciousness of any kind.

And if you care so much about the "soul", why do you eat? Why don't you see yourself at the place of the animal or plant who will die???? isn't it killing?? Do they have no soul??

It's about what is made lawful by God and what is made unlawful by God...Killing children is made unlawful...while animals were made for human use....there are things (harmful) which He forbade and the good things he allowed....
And idk much of fetus but being a human I can clearly understand that abortion is liking killing a kid....and secondly that kid is part of mother.....
Like here in Pakistan..kids seats are charged no-where until they sit in lap of their mothers.....so seat and passport issue depends on both space and understanding....
And plants and certain animals are made lawful to eat while some animals aren't.....
and a life is a life...this is your materialistic approach by which million were killed and will be killed....

Don't you read what God said in Quran?
''Every soul will taste death. And We test you with evil and with good as trial; and to Us you will be returned. ''