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Original post by #ChaosKass
Abstinence is the way to go. If you don't want a baby then why on Earth are you having sex?
We're not in the 19th Century any more. Very few people have sex just to conceive. Sex is also a way to express love & is good for general enjoyment.
It's religions that have tried to hijack sex to their own ends - historically, they wanted the largest amount of followers possible so are against contraception & abortion as it limits this. Whereas if a married couple have 10 kids then in the religion's eyes then that's 10 more followers regardless of what poverty that family may now be in.
For me, abortion is a right. If a woman believes that it's better that her child isn't born then who are we to disagree with her. I'm very much for Libertarianism on this issue.
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Original post by NUSTweb
It's about what is made lawful by God and what is made unlawful by God...Killing children is made unlawful...while animals were made for human use....there are things (harmful) which He forbade and the good things he allowed....
And idk much of fetus but being a human I can clearly understand that abortion is liking killing a kid....and secondly that kid is part of mother.....
Like here in Paakistan..kids seats are charged no-where until they sit in lap of their mothers.....so seat and passport issue depends on both space and understanding....
And plants and certain animals are made lawful to eat while some animals aren't.....
and a life is a life...this is your materialistic approach by which million were killed and will be killed....
Don't you read what God said in Quran?
''Every soul will taste death. And We test you with evil and with good as trial; and to Us you will be returned. ''
And idk much of fetus but being a human I can clearly understand that abortion is liking killing a kid....and secondly that kid is part of mother.....
Like here in Paakistan..kids seats are charged no-where until they sit in lap of their mothers.....so seat and passport issue depends on both space and understanding....
And plants and certain animals are made lawful to eat while some animals aren't.....
and a life is a life...this is your materialistic approach by which million were killed and will be killed....
Don't you read what God said in Quran?
''Every soul will taste death. And We test you with evil and with good as trial; and to Us you will be returned. ''
FFS, too early in the morning for this crap.
Original post by Sabertooth
I won't claim to know the biology behind it (regardless what a video might say) but honestly I don't know how women live with themselves after. :/ I'm a Catholic and view abortions as wrong, but I acknowledge that it's not right for me to force my views on women, they're the ones who have to live with the guilt and answer to God after.
Mmm, funny that. As a 14 year old pregnant orphan in the care of the Catholic Church since birth, abortion wasn't an issue then. But then, keeping the dirty little secrets of the Catholic Church was and is a priority. And it wasn't their 'views' I had forced on me, if you get my drift. And at 14, it's not I who have to live with the guilt, or is guilt just for the rank and file?
1 – It is not permissible to abort a pregnancy at any stage unless there is a legitimate reason, and within very precise limits.
2 – If the pregnancy is in the first stage, which is a period of forty days, and aborting it serves a legitimate purpose or will ward off harm, then it is permissible to abort it. But aborting it at this stage for fear of the difficulty of raising children or of being unable to bear the costs of maintaining and educating them, or for fear for their future or because the couple feel that they have enough children – this is not permissible.
3 – It is not permissible to abort a pregnancy when it is an ‘alaqah (clot) or mudghah (chewed lump of flesh) (which are the second and third periods of forty days each) until a trustworthy medical committee has decided that continuing the pregnancy poses a threat to the mother’s wellbeing, in that there is the fear that she will die if the pregnancy continues. It is permissible to abort it once all means of warding off that danger have been exhausted.
4 – After the third stage, and after four months have passed, it is not permissible to abort the pregnancy unless a group of trustworthy medical specialists decide that keeping the foetus in his mother’s womb will cause her death, and that should only be done after all means of keeping the foetus alive have been exhausted. A concession is made allowing abortion in this case so as to ward off the greater of two evils and to serve the greater of two interests.
2 – If the pregnancy is in the first stage, which is a period of forty days, and aborting it serves a legitimate purpose or will ward off harm, then it is permissible to abort it. But aborting it at this stage for fear of the difficulty of raising children or of being unable to bear the costs of maintaining and educating them, or for fear for their future or because the couple feel that they have enough children – this is not permissible.
3 – It is not permissible to abort a pregnancy when it is an ‘alaqah (clot) or mudghah (chewed lump of flesh) (which are the second and third periods of forty days each) until a trustworthy medical committee has decided that continuing the pregnancy poses a threat to the mother’s wellbeing, in that there is the fear that she will die if the pregnancy continues. It is permissible to abort it once all means of warding off that danger have been exhausted.
4 – After the third stage, and after four months have passed, it is not permissible to abort the pregnancy unless a group of trustworthy medical specialists decide that keeping the foetus in his mother’s womb will cause her death, and that should only be done after all means of keeping the foetus alive have been exhausted. A concession is made allowing abortion in this case so as to ward off the greater of two evils and to serve the greater of two interests.
If it is proven in a definitive fashion, beyond any doubt, by a trustworthy medical committee, that the foetus is deformed, and that this deformity cannot be treated by the specialists, then in my view it is permissible to abort it, in view of the difficulties it would face in life and the hardship this would present to the parents, and the burdens and responsibilities of care it would place on the society.
Original post by SirKyrgystan
The one who is responsible for this is Russia,America,UK,Canada,China and alll those countries who are using power not to help people but to make their own countries powerful...........
and as I said...we are responsible for what bad comes due to our deeds while Allah is responsible for what good comes to us.....
And he has given us free will...and we destroy ourselves...He simply tests us and that's what is 'life'......
and what are we doing with these kids...truly,being a Muslim...tear comes in my eyes and heart saddens at which approach you people are going to such things....
Original post by SirKyrgystan
In the birth of these deformed children there is a lesson for those who are of sound health, and it teaches us of the power of Allaah Who shows His creation the manifestations of His might and the wonders that He has created. Killing and aborting them is a purely materialistic view which pays no attention to matters of religion and morals. Perhaps the existence of these deformities will make people more humble and submissive towards their Lord, and make them bear them with patience, seeking a great reward from Him.
Physical deformity is something that Allaah has decreed for some of His slaves. Whoever bears that with patience will attain victory. This is something that happens and has always happened throughout history, but unfortunately studies indicate that the rate of physical deformity is increasing, as the result of pollution of the environment and the increase of harmful rays in the atmosphere, which was previously unknown.
“Should not He Who has created know? And He is the Most Kind and Courteous (to His slaves), All Aware (of everything).[al-Mulk 67:14]
Original post by NUSTweb
In the birth of these deformed children there is a lesson for those who are of sound health, and it teaches us of the power of Allaah Who shows His creation the manifestations of His might and the wonders that He has created. Killing and aborting them is a purely materialistic view which pays no attention to matters of religion and morals. Perhaps the existence of these deformities will make people more humble and submissive towards their Lord, and make them bear them with patience, seeking a great reward from Him.
Physical deformity is something that Allaah has decreed for some of His slaves. Whoever bears that with patience will attain victory. This is something that happens and has always happened throughout history, but unfortunately studies indicate that the rate of physical deformity is increasing, as the result of pollution of the environment and the increase of harmful rays in the atmosphere, which was previously unknown.
“Should not He Who has created know? And He is the Most Kind and Courteous (to His slaves), All Aware (of everything).[al-Mulk 67:14]
Physical deformity is something that Allaah has decreed for some of His slaves. Whoever bears that with patience will attain victory. This is something that happens and has always happened throughout history, but unfortunately studies indicate that the rate of physical deformity is increasing, as the result of pollution of the environment and the increase of harmful rays in the atmosphere, which was previously unknown.
“Should not He Who has created know? And He is the Most Kind and Courteous (to His slaves), All Aware (of everything).[al-Mulk 67:14]
I feel like I'm going to regret asking this but when you say slaves are you insinuating we are all god's slaves?
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Original post by NUSTweb
Brother listen....All their bad condition is due to our wrong policies and acts...This is what our hands done and there are clear mistakes done by people who are behind them....
But Allah still provides them provision.....
You are like a man who kills his kid and says that Allah killed him....while this world is a test...
All blessings are due to Allah and all harm is due to our hands for which we should seek forgiveness...
''What comes to you of good is from Allah , but what comes to you of evil, [O man], is from yourself. And We have sent you, [O Muhammad], to the people as a messenger, and sufficient is Allah as Witness.''The world is a test for all...and who wants to do bad,does.....so he will be paid according....
But Allah still provides them provision.....
You are like a man who kills his kid and says that Allah killed him....while this world is a test...
All blessings are due to Allah and all harm is due to our hands for which we should seek forgiveness...
''What comes to you of good is from Allah , but what comes to you of evil, [O man], is from yourself. And We have sent you, [O Muhammad], to the people as a messenger, and sufficient is Allah as Witness.''The world is a test for all...and who wants to do bad,does.....so he will be paid according....
Totally the other way round, Most of the good stuff that happens in this world is caused by us as humans alone. a lot of the bad stuff is caused by the idea that is Allah and this horrible idea is the cause of a lot of suffering in Islamic countries and now with terrorism on the rise suffering in other countries too
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Original post by NUSTweb
In the birth of these deformed children there is a lesson for those who are of sound health, and it teaches us of the power of Allaah Who shows His creation the manifestations of His might and the wonders that He has created. Killing and aborting them is a purely materialistic view which pays no attention to matters of religion and morals. Perhaps the existence of these deformities will make people more humble and submissive towards their Lord, and make them bear them with patience, seeking a great reward from Him.
Physical deformity is something that Allaah has decreed for some of His slaves. Whoever bears that with patience will attain victory. This is something that happens and has always happened throughout history, but unfortunately studies indicate that the rate of physical deformity is increasing, as the result of pollution of the environment and the increase of harmful rays in the atmosphere, which was previously unknown.
“Should not He Who has created know? And He is the Most Kind and Courteous (to His slaves), All Aware (of everything).[al-Mulk 67:14]
Physical deformity is something that Allaah has decreed for some of His slaves. Whoever bears that with patience will attain victory. This is something that happens and has always happened throughout history, but unfortunately studies indicate that the rate of physical deformity is increasing, as the result of pollution of the environment and the increase of harmful rays in the atmosphere, which was previously unknown.
“Should not He Who has created know? And He is the Most Kind and Courteous (to His slaves), All Aware (of everything).[al-Mulk 67:14]
Those children in the picture aren't deformed. They are malnutritioned. If they were fed properly they would go back to a normal body figure, pretty insulting that you're calling them deformed when they are not.
And okay I see what you mean by materialistic if someone aborts their child if scans show that the foetus has physical deformities legs haven't developed or whatever. But I would argue it's more immoral to force a woman to carry and give birth to a baby that they do not want for their own personal reason. How's that fair to the child either to be born into a world where their mother didn't want them?
Original post by Underscore__
I feel like I'm going to regret asking this but when you say slaves are you insinuating we are all god's slaves?
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Yes he is referring to us all being God's slaves. I mean it might just be a figure of speech thing that's written in the Quran not us literally being his slaves but yes that is what's written.
lol @ people thinking a fetus' life is something special and sacred that needs to be saved no matter the consequences.
No wonder its only usually religious nutjobs who pipe up with these opinions.
No wonder its only usually religious nutjobs who pipe up with these opinions.
Original post by Pinkberry_y
Yes he is referring to us all being God's slaves. I mean it might just be a figure of speech thing that's written in the Quran not us literally being his slaves but yes that is what's written.
Wow, what a nice way to speak about people you want to love you.
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Original post by BunnyMidnight
To be honest not I don't think it would be right to make it illegal and two there is not point. *
*There is now point, as females who want to abort will find away. There have been reports, finding, evidence and stats in countries where abortion is illegal, they find a ****ing way. Some give birth and abandon the baby to starve or be eaten to death. Some go into depression afterwards and kill themselves or the baby and more...
* another reason why there is no point, adoption agencies are already full and struggling the way it's, so why cause more children to go through the system and suffer. They are more likely to suffer mental health issues, attachment issues and more. That isn't far on, the parent who had to give birth when they didn't want to and on the child who would be neglected (as they wouldn't have one to one time, as the staff will have to care for 50+ children with different needs, wants, help and more).
For example, there is a case/report of someone who wanted to have an abortion and couldn't afford/it was illegal/it was too late for her to have an abortion and she decided to get a metal copper wire to take the baby out. The baby died from stab wounds and the mother was severely injured.
Women have a right to use their body the way they want to, if they want to have sex a lot fine, if they want to wear what every fine. The same goes for men, as long as it's not offensive it doesn't really matter, it doesn't affect you. If they want to be fit or fat who fudging cares, it's not you!!!!!
Abortion helps people as think about the people who can't have kids, as they are likely to die if they give birth. What about if the child has a defect and they are likely to die a few day/months after birth and during that they are going to suffer. What about if the person uses sooo much protection but the condoms breaks or the tablets stop working and they don't want their tubes tide. What about if they are likely to be kicked out of home or in an abusive household, what are they going to do live on the streets, watch their child get beat or allow their child to watch them be beat or another family to be beat etc.
Abortion is not taken likely and to tell someone to not have sex is -because it will lead to pregnancy/it's a consequence "live with it"- stupid, everyone has the right to have sex. It's like telling people "don't take medication, as they have side effects and if you experience the side effects it's your fault and you brought it on yourself." Even though if they don't take the medication they will suffer long, get worse or face death.
Unless all the people that are against abortion are going to look after, care or/and fund for the children then your argument is helpful, if not SHUT THE FUDGE UP!
So no abortion should stay legal, if it is it will be safe, controlled (only professionals but that is another discussion) and the most human way.
*There is now point, as females who want to abort will find away. There have been reports, finding, evidence and stats in countries where abortion is illegal, they find a ****ing way. Some give birth and abandon the baby to starve or be eaten to death. Some go into depression afterwards and kill themselves or the baby and more...
* another reason why there is no point, adoption agencies are already full and struggling the way it's, so why cause more children to go through the system and suffer. They are more likely to suffer mental health issues, attachment issues and more. That isn't far on, the parent who had to give birth when they didn't want to and on the child who would be neglected (as they wouldn't have one to one time, as the staff will have to care for 50+ children with different needs, wants, help and more).
For example, there is a case/report of someone who wanted to have an abortion and couldn't afford/it was illegal/it was too late for her to have an abortion and she decided to get a metal copper wire to take the baby out. The baby died from stab wounds and the mother was severely injured.
Women have a right to use their body the way they want to, if they want to have sex a lot fine, if they want to wear what every fine. The same goes for men, as long as it's not offensive it doesn't really matter, it doesn't affect you. If they want to be fit or fat who fudging cares, it's not you!!!!!
Abortion helps people as think about the people who can't have kids, as they are likely to die if they give birth. What about if the child has a defect and they are likely to die a few day/months after birth and during that they are going to suffer. What about if the person uses sooo much protection but the condoms breaks or the tablets stop working and they don't want their tubes tide. What about if they are likely to be kicked out of home or in an abusive household, what are they going to do live on the streets, watch their child get beat or allow their child to watch them be beat or another family to be beat etc.
Abortion is not taken likely and to tell someone to not have sex is -because it will lead to pregnancy/it's a consequence "live with it"- stupid, everyone has the right to have sex. It's like telling people "don't take medication, as they have side effects and if you experience the side effects it's your fault and you brought it on yourself." Even though if they don't take the medication they will suffer long, get worse or face death.
Unless all the people that are against abortion are going to look after, care or/and fund for the children then your argument is helpful, if not SHUT THE FUDGE UP!
So no abortion should stay legal, if it is it will be safe, controlled (only professionals but that is another discussion) and the most human way.
Okay, so how is it possible for someone to abort if it's illegal in their country? Have you got any evidence? because letting them die when giving birth or killing themselves isn't the same as aborting ***
Original post by ckfeister
After 6 weeks they have feelings, did you not watch that video where the baby aggressively fighted to its death? 5 weeks or earlier is fine as it doesn't feel anything or have a HEART. When sucked out the doctor looked and noticed a tiny heart/leg at end when it tried to aggressively fight for its life... how is this justified? What if this was you?
Original post by kikeconspiracy
"her body" is such a silly thing to say. The child is not your body.
So would you two consider it acceptable for doctors to forcibly removed to say a kidney to save someone? Even if you didn't want to donate a kidney?
Original post by Gwilym101
So would you two consider it acceptable for doctors to forcibly removed to say a kidney to save someone? Even if you didn't want to donate a kidney?
Huh? What are you talking about?
Original post by DanielleT192
Huh? What are you talking about?
They're saying that a woman should have to accept that her body is going to permanently physically altered to save the life of someone she doesn't know or is emotionally attached to.
By that same logic they should have no issue with doctors forcibly taking the organs you can survive without, to save people, even if you don't know the person or want to have your body damaged.
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Original post by Gwilym101
They're saying that a woman should have to accept that her body is going to permanently physically altered to save the life of someone she doesn't know or is emotionally attached to.
By that same logic they should have no issue with doctors forcibly taking the organs you can survive without, to save people, even if you don't know the person or want to have your body damaged.
By that same logic they should have no issue with doctors forcibly taking the organs you can survive without, to save people, even if you don't know the person or want to have your body damaged.
The difference there is people usually end up pregnant as a result of choices they've made so it's far more reasonable to say that you have a responsibility to a 'life' you've created rather than one you haven't.
Original post by DanielleT192
Okay, so how is it possible for someone to abort if it's illegal in their country? Have you got any evidence? because letting them die when giving birth or killing themselves isn't the same as aborting ***
There were still back alley abortion clinics before abortion was made legal but the argument that people will find away is ridiculous. People find away to murder and rape each other so shall we legalise that as well?
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Original post by Underscore__
The difference there is people usually end up pregnant as a result of choices they've made so it's far more reasonable to say that you have a responsibility to a 'life' you've created rather than one you haven't.
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Most people would say you have a responsibility to help someone if you're physically able to as well.
My argument was about people dismissing the idea that its the womans body so she has the final say in what happens to it. If someone doesn't like that idea they shouldn't have any issue with being forced to donate organs, hell the recovery time would be quicker than going through pregnancy.
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