Shocking video of struggling UK citizens

Can you point me to where leave suggested we start deporting highly skilled immigrants?

No.

Can you point me to where I've implied they did?

Yes it's the Tory's fault that's why real spending has increased under the Tory government since they took power from labour.

Mate, it doesn't mean they used the spending properly. It's not about "throwing money at it" as another user stated, it's about using the money properly to fix things. It will take time, but it will be fixed. Rome wasn't built in a day.

I think it's absolutely shocking that there are still people out there who buy into all the rhetoric and lies from the Leave campaign when all their deceit was exposed to the public after the referendum result. Anyone who seriously believes for a second that the funding we save from leaving the EU will go back into the NHS is an idiot. I'm surprised most people only realised that after Farage's interview the day after the referendum when those of us with a bit of common sense and who voted Remain, could see that coming a mile off. The government's mission to underfund, destabilise and demoralise the NHS will not change - that was already a huge problem way before the referendum was called. Now the government have control of that funding we saved, it's gonna go into keeping the economy stable and plugging the gaps created by all the EU funding we have lost. It's already common knowledge that we got a lot more in return from the EU than we paid into it. Not to mention that if we stay in the EEA, our borders will stay open and immigration will not change.

I find it outrageous that anyone can believe the BS coming from the BNP - you do realise that most of the people they interviewed in that video are probably unemployed anyway and pay no tax? Therefore they don't have a right to keep banging on about "we pay into it" and "we get shoved to the end of the queue". Anyone with even a passing knowledge of immigrant culture would know that immigrants work extremely hard, live sensibly and contribute more to the economy than they take from it. There's no use blaming immigrants for a problem which was already rife for years before the Brexit debate started. The reporter himself acknowledges that it is a government problem, but it is way out of line to blame EU migrants when they have just as much right to be in this country as we do. If you want someone to blame for all the problems currently going on in the NHS - blame the Tory party, Jeremy Hunt, Health Education England and the Department of Health.

Can you point me to where leave suggested we start deporting highly skilled immigrants?

Yes it's the Tory's fault that's why real spending has increased under the Tory government since they took power from labour.

You brought up removing all eu migrants taxes out of the equation nobody has suggested we do that.

Of course not!

Of course you just want to keep those that you deem beneficial. After all, you are the selfish pigs. You want to have your cake and eat it too.

But you once again fail to see the point, as you always do. These people are crying of overcrowded hospitals and blame immigrants. But in reality we have proven that immigrants are most certainly not to blame. That is all this debate is about. Nothing else. Oh and good luck having access to the EU and at the same time a discriminatory immigration policy

I wasn't talking about deporting anyone. I was pointing out the fact that if you remove a group of (on average) over-contributors from a system then the funding for that system will be in a worse situation.

i.e The fallacy of blaming immigrants and not our own govt for problems in the NHS.

That is 0.95% increase a year, assuming the targets pan out, but the population has been growing by 0.6% a year (and this among old people more likely to need care). You cannot credit the Tories with much more than keeping spending above water.

Yes but nobody is saying we should remove the whole group so that argument doesn't really stand.

I'm saying that there has been a slight increase under the Tory's than labour so saying that the Tory's are underfunding the NHS means you can not say that parties like labour weren't underfunding it.

I'm saying that there has been a slight increase under the Tory's than labour so saying that the Tory's are underfunding the NHS means you can not say that parties like labour weren't underfunding it.

The issue is ongoing mismanagement which is endemic to the public sector. Post #20 from @KimKallstrom sums it up IMO.

I agree that there has been mismanagement but if people want to attack the Tory's for that then fine but saying that the NHS is underfunded while spending is increasing doesn't stand up to scrutiny when it is supporters of parties who have spent less on the NHS.

That's a poor argument. If Tories are underfunding it, that's their fault. Just because labour also underfunded it does not mean that we shouldn't blame the Tories for doing the same.


The Tories are in power now and they are the ones underfunding it.

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I disagree for one the Tory's are increasing NHS funding to where it should be and if you want the NHS's funding to be where you think it should be what should be cut or should we just borrow more money and leave the problems for someone else to deal with? There are problems throughout the NHS that need to be addressed you can't just simply throw huge sums of money at it and hope it goes away

You cannot underfunded the NHS and then complain about poor performance. What problems need to be addressed? Give me details.

You don't care about the NHS, you just use it as a convenient stick to beat immigrants with.

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